Support Forums: Message List - What XForms does (and what it doesn't do) http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sat, 25 May 2013 17:55:46 -0400 XForms, another vote for too complex http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169 :-)

1. "If browsers would..." Why would they? When will they? What if they don't?
2. Usability is a very difficult concept to pin down. I just don't see people...]]> Wed, 10 May 2006 00:19:50 -0400 Wed, 10 May 2006 00:19:50 -0400 Wed, 10 May 2006 00:19:50 -0400 May 10, 2006 Greg Day 0 XForms, another vote for too complex http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169 Tue, 09 May 2006 19:05:35 -0400 Tue, 09 May 2006 19:05:35 -0400 Tue, 09 May 2006 19:05:35 -0400 May 9, 2006 Eelco Hillenius 1 XForms, another vote for too complex http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169
I believe this is simply because everything you can do with xforms can be done with JSF/JSP, ruby on rails, asp etc.

XForms may or may not be more...]]> Mon, 08 May 2006 22:33:48 -0400 Mon, 08 May 2006 22:33:48 -0400 Mon, 08 May 2006 22:33:48 -0400 May 8, 2006 Greg Day 2 XForms is not too complex http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169
The XForms recommendation is *not*...]]> Fri, 05 May 2006 14:46:20 -0400 Fri, 05 May 2006 14:46:20 -0400 Fri, 05 May 2006 14:46:20 -0400 May 5, 2006 John Boyer 0 XForms and double submit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169
XForms is a platform for building applications. It is possible to...]]> Fri, 05 May 2006 14:33:53 -0400 Fri, 05 May 2006 14:33:53 -0400 Fri, 05 May 2006 14:33:53 -0400 May 5, 2006 John Boyer 0 XForms and double submit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169
Yes, MyFaces is a proprietary solution on top of a standard J2EE spec. ...
Well, MyFaces is an implementation of JSF, which is part of J2EE, so I wouldn't call it proprietary.Yes, my mistake. I stand...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 19:13:36 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 19:13:36 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 19:13:36 -0400 May 2, 2006 Michael Jouravlev 0 XForms and double submit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169 Yes, MyFaces is a proprietary solution on top of a standard J2EE spec. This is OK for a server-side framework, but XForms spec is supposed to be supported by browsers. Right now Orbeon provides XForms NG with Ajax engine because browsers do...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 18:04:13 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:04:13 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:04:13 -0400 May 2, 2006 Erik Bruchez 1 XForms and double submit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169 Michael, I am puzzled by your use of the term "proprietary solution"! Orbeon PresentationServer is an open source project (under LGPL) which implements an open specification, namely the XForms W3C recommendation. I cannot imagine...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 16:07:56 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 16:07:56 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 16:07:56 -0400 May 2, 2006 Michael Jouravlev 2 XForms and double submit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169 Well, it is nice that one can use XForms NG now. Still, this is a proprietary solution. It seems that XForms being a W3C spec does nothing to resolve form-submitting problems in a standard manner. I guess when John Boyer writes that XForms...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 13:59:31 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 13:59:31 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 13:59:31 -0400 May 2, 2006 Erik Bruchez 3 XForms and double submit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169
Take your ATM Example.
The proper link to the sample: Tue, 02 May 2006 00:47:02 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 00:47:02 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 00:47:02 -0400 May 2, 2006 Michael Jouravlev 4 XForms, another vote for too complex http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169 I have used XForms recently for a large project in government. It was touted as something that would make life much simpler, easier to add new forms etc.Regardless of its 'benefits', what it did was require that everyone who developed on the...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 00:40:18 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 00:40:18 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 00:40:18 -0400 May 2, 2006 Erik Bruchez 3 XForms and double submit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169
Take your ATM Example.
The proper link to the sample: Tue, 02 May 2006 00:22:35 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 00:22:35 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 00:22:35 -0400 May 2, 2006 Erik Bruchez 5 XForms, another vote for too complex http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169
Regardless of its 'benefits', what it did was require that everyone who developed on the...]]> Mon, 01 May 2006 21:17:55 -0400 Mon, 01 May 2006 21:17:55 -0400 Mon, 01 May 2006 21:17:55 -0400 May 1, 2006 Greg Day 4 XForms and double submit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169 Take your ATM Example.
The proper link to the sample: http://www.orbeon.com/ops/goto-example/atm]]> Mon, 01 May 2006 20:48:01 -0400 Mon, 01 May 2006 20:48:01 -0400 Mon, 01 May 2006 20:48:01 -0400 May 1, 2006 Michael Jouravlev 6 XForms and double submit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40169 XForms is simplicity in person when compared with all this: it is markup-based (think of it as "super-HTML forms"), declarative (no Javascript mess to handle events and actions), powerful (in particular it does a lot of what Ajax...]]> Mon, 01 May 2006 20:45:10 -0400 Mon, 01 May 2006 20:45:10 -0400 Mon, 01 May 2006 20:45:10 -0400 May 1, 2006 Michael Jouravlev 7