Support Forums: Message List - TSS Asks: Getting back your investment http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:17:57 -0400 Problematic http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189
As for quantifying the value of code quality ... of course you CAN do this. NASA has been doing it for years, for instance. However, it is very expensive relative to current practice in the United States. NASA has a big...]]> Thu, 04 May 2006 10:27:41 -0400 Thu, 04 May 2006 10:27:41 -0400 Thu, 04 May 2006 10:27:41 -0400 May 4, 2006 Cameron Purdy 0 Rewrites as maintenance - compromises http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 ...that allowed the product to survive through numerous changes as the kimono slowly opened to reveal the real requirements...
This is a little suggestive and poetic for something as dull as requirements. Don't know if I should...]]> Thu, 04 May 2006 09:01:14 -0400 Thu, 04 May 2006 09:01:14 -0400 Thu, 04 May 2006 09:01:14 -0400 May 4, 2006 George Coller 0 Problematic http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 As for quantifying the value of code quality ... of course you CAN do this. NASA has been doing it for years, for instance. However, it is very expensive relative to current practice in the United States. NASA has a big budget....]]> Wed, 03 May 2006 18:39:13 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 18:39:13 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 18:39:13 -0400 May 3, 2006 Stephane Vaucher 1 Rewrites as maintenance http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 ...I don't think maintenance is an issue if you have to rewrite each system every 3-5 years.
Yes, I would have to agree that it is difficult to concentrate on the finer points of good coding practices when a lot of the code...]]> Wed, 03 May 2006 15:22:00 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 15:22:00 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 15:22:00 -0400 May 3, 2006 Barry Lay 1 TSS Asks: Getting back your investment http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 1) WSAD - There is a reason it isn't called WHAPPY
LOL ooh... too true...]]> Wed, 03 May 2006 12:01:27 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 12:01:27 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 12:01:27 -0400 May 3, 2006 Jason Carreira 0 LOL http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189
...To my surprise, I found that both these lacked even a very basic commitment to standards of good coding practices...
You were surprised? seriously? I'd be knocked on my ass if I reviewed a corporate code base and...]]> Wed, 03 May 2006 11:48:28 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 11:48:28 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 11:48:28 -0400 May 3, 2006 Ethan Allen 0 higher paid developer also write poor code - money? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 Wed, 03 May 2006 09:16:35 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 09:16:35 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 09:16:35 -0400 May 3, 2006 George Coller 0 higher paid developer also write poor code http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 Wed, 03 May 2006 05:09:01 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 05:09:01 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 05:09:01 -0400 May 3, 2006 Bhushan Bhangale 1 TSS Asks: Getting back your investment http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 ...To my surprise, I found that both these lacked even a very basic commitment to standards of good coding practices...
You were surprised? seriously? I'd be knocked on my ass if I reviewed a corporate code base and found...]]> Wed, 03 May 2006 03:01:37 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 03:01:37 -0400 Wed, 03 May 2006 03:01:37 -0400 May 3, 2006 George Coller 6 ROFL http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 They think a webapp that can be developed by a intern in 2.5 minutes using RoR will cure world hunger, stop the green house effect, ensure world peace, and earn everyone a $10 million dollar bonus. (or a $10 gift certificate if you actually...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 18:34:46 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:34:46 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:34:46 -0400 May 2, 2006 Ethan Allen 0 One other thing ... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189
I've met a LOT of consultants who talk a LOT about ROI, but I have yet to meet one who can give me that figure. Some are able to make up...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 18:32:58 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:32:58 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:32:58 -0400 May 2, 2006 Ethan Allen 0 Problematic http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 You assume the application is architected in horizontal layers rather than vertical functions. If an application is coded in a manner so that each feature exists as a silo, with common code simply cut & pasted between silos (or...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 18:27:56 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:27:56 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:27:56 -0400 May 2, 2006 Ethan Allen 2 TSS Asks: Getting back your investment http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 In my experience, more often than not unrealistic deadlines or weak requirements are the reason for poor code quality.
Weak requirements come from weak objectives. The first question that should be asked on a project is the...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 18:24:50 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:24:50 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:24:50 -0400 May 2, 2006 Erik Engbrecht 1 TSS Asks: Getting back your investment http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:17:46 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:17:46 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:17:46 -0400 May 2, 2006 Carlos D. Morales D. 0 TSS Asks: Getting back your investment http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40189 If a "small" change in requirements forces someone to change a sizeable part of your codebase, then you can imagine it that there is a problem (but still not quantifiable).
You assume the application is architected...]]> Tue, 02 May 2006 18:07:03 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:07:03 -0400 Tue, 02 May 2006 18:07:03 -0400 May 2, 2006 Erik Engbrecht 3