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        <title>Commoditization and other substandard stuff</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I do agree when it is said the app server is commoditized. There was a time when there were only a few. Weblogic, JBoss, JBuilder. These have maintained their stride consistently. They stood for great performance and reliablility....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:34:38 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>red salt</jf:author>
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        <title>Java EE market slowing</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I can't help but wonder what would this thread look like if the author had used those licensing numbers to conclude Java EE market is shrinking or app server market is slowing down or something like that. It would have been a lot of fun that way:)...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:58:57 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Chintan Rajyaguru</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Whatever you call it</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Consolidation is a sign of commoditization. When manufacturers can't differentiate or position their product in a unique way it becomes a commodity, reducing its price and leading to consolidation because small players can not make a profit under such...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:21:51 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Ranjiva Prasad</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Whatever you call it</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40988</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Gartner just published new app server market share data.  For those of you who track this stuff, the report can be found here;...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:07:46 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 20, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Eric Stahl</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Whatever you call it</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The original author is NOT taking about commoditization he's talking about market consolidation - or he has no idea what commoditization is. ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:54:42 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 20, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rich Sharples</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: The rise and fall of App Server Commoditization</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40988</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>JBuilder is in clearly in a weak position today.  Had they seen the train , they would have jumped onboard the Eclipse train, ported their gee-wiz features on top of it, and they could have ridden the wave.   Instead they have Peloton, an...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:15:57 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 20, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ilari Aalto</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: The rise and fall of App Server Commoditization</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I've been watching this argument for years.  I joined BEA in 1999, when the app server space took off with the convergence of Web apps, J2EE standards and the dot com boom.  <br><br>After the bubble burst BEA went into a period of flat to...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:31:08 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>James Watson</jf:author>
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        <title>Whatever you call it</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think the answer depend son how you define...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Arne Vajh??j</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: The rise and fall of App Server Commoditization</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[JBuilder is in clearly in a weak position today.  Had they seen the train , they would have jumped onboard the Eclipse train, ported their gee-wiz features on top of it, and they could have ridden the wave.   Instead they have Peloton, an eclipse-based...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Jun 19, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Carlos Chang</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: The rise and fall of App Server Commoditization</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40988</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Nilesh,...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Eric Stahl</jf:author>
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        <title>Mixed Metaphors</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Commodization is a well known concept in economics. From a pure economics perspective, the author's data points do not indicate commodization. If there was commodization, then many vendors would offer app servers that were as good (or "nearly" as good)...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Jun 19, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michael Galpin</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: The rise and fall of App Server Commoditization</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[No flames or religion here. My preferred J2EE server is Weblogic. But the arguments you give are the same ones that JBuilder could've given a few years ago against the commoditization of the IDE space. And where are they today?...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:47:59 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Nilesh Pereira</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: The rise and fall of App Server Commoditization</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I've been watching this argument for years.  I joined BEA in 1999, when the app server space took off with the convergence of Web apps, J2EE standards and the dot com boom.  ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:28:42 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Eric Stahl</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: The rise and fall of App Server Commoditization</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[It's certainly trying to get commoditized....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:10:40 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 19, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Will Hartung</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: The rise and fall of App Server Commoditization</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'm sorry, but doesn't that imply that commoditization is taking place? Commoditization IMHO, not only decreases the value of creating a new product in that space, but also decreases the value of existing products in that space. Thats why we have only...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:38:32 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 19, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Nilesh Pereira</jf:author>
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