Support Forums: Message List - Cedric Beust on Untested Code http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Thu, 23 May 2013 06:54:34 -0400 You are not alone http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:28:44 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:28:44 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:28:44 -0400 Aug 9, 2006 Eduard Letifov 0 Re: Cedric Beust on Untested Code http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:27:21 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:27:21 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:27:21 -0400 Aug 8, 2006 Race Condition 0 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 ...]]> Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:19:19 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:19:19 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:19:19 -0400 Aug 8, 2006 Fredrik Bertilsson 0 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 2. I'm suprised by "scared" stiff. Automated unit testing to the extent it is positioned today is relatively new. Programs were successfully written before JUnit and other frameworks....]]> Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:37:58 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:37:58 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:37:58 -0400 Aug 8, 2006 Erik Engbrecht 1 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 It sounds like you are pushing against not only unit testing but automated testing in general. If I'm wrong let me know ...]]> Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:38:14 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:38:14 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:38:14 -0400 Aug 8, 2006 Fredrik Bertilsson 0 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 Alright, I'm tired of being the only poster here who believes that a certain amount of automated testing can help most projects achieve better quality. ...]]> Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:24:24 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:24:24 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:24:24 -0400 Aug 8, 2006 Fredrik Bertilsson 0 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:54:27 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:54:27 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:54:27 -0400 Aug 7, 2006 George Coller 2 Re: Without Test for the Brave ... but is it cheaper ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 without UT ... you might be "lost" in your own code, and may take several hours to understand it again...]]> Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:51:16 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:51:16 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:51:16 -0400 Aug 7, 2006 Maxim Kramarenko 0 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 For Java, JUnit is about as easy a framework as you'll encounter - easier to learn and understand than log4j I'd argue. That along with all the IDE and Ant support it just doesn't make sense to me how writing a decent batch of unit and...]]> Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:30:21 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:30:21 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:30:21 -0400 Aug 7, 2006 AaronW 5 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 This is a weird outcome, weird meaning different from my direct experience.

Writing Unit Tests shouldn't slow your productivity down. They've saved my butt enough times that I would feel naked without a solid set of automated tests...]]> Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:23:46 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:23:46 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:23:46 -0400 Aug 7, 2006 Maxim Kramarenko 0 Without Test for the Brave ... but is it cheaper ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:05:19 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:05:19 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:05:19 -0400 Aug 7, 2006 Yong How Lim 1 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 This is one problem with the automated testing concept. Not everyone has this same need. So, not everyone will see the benefit.

I think the true benefit of automated testing comes in during refactoring (significant) but if your...]]> Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:01:28 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:01:28 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:01:28 -0400 Aug 7, 2006 George Coller 6 Re: Cedric Beust on Untested Code http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639
Is your code 100% covered with tests 100% of the time?


Should we cover with tests unit tests code too ? :-)

If no, how we can ensure that it works ? If we can test unit tests manually, why we cannot...]]> Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:44:48 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:44:48 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:44:48 -0400 Aug 7, 2006 Joel Schilling 0 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 Even if the ratio is 1:1 overall productivity goes up because I don't chase the same bugs again and again. ...]]> Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:23:39 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:23:39 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:23:39 -0400 Aug 7, 2006 AaronW 7 Re: Theory vs reality http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41639 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:00:32 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:00:32 -0400 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:00:32 -0400 Aug 7, 2006 George Coller 1