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        <title>Re: No ORM for Me - NOT!</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Many of the responses opposing ORM don't deny it's advertised benefits, but simply claim that the costs of ORM out way the benefits, therefore supporting the original post.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 21:26:54 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 21:26:54 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 21:26:54 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>May 16, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Chris Golfman</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>A new solution for data persistence without ORM</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Recently, I am developping a new project 'dbcoat'
It seems to be suitable for your situation.
Please refer to: <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbcoat" target="_newWindow">http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbcoat</a>]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:18:40 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:18:40 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:18:40 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Mar 3, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>haiyang li</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: No ORM: The simplest solution?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I want everything but the ORM.</blockquote>Unless you have taken a vow to not touch any ORM :), you may check out JDX OR-Mapper that should meet your needs well. ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 21:52:51 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 21:52:51 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 21:52:51 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Nov 5, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Damodar Periwal</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: No ORM: The simplest solution?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I want everything but the ORM.  I want connection pooling, sql generation, cursors, db independence, preparing statements, dynamic finding, caching, transaction control, etc....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:33:44 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:33:44 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:33:44 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Nov 2, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Aaron Evans</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Quality Assurance, the data model OO/Relational</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The most complex and serious database I've seen have a common feature: don't try to enter into my world (relational database, DBA). The last frontier for a developer is a simple VIEW or a Store Procedure. It's curious because the two worlds...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:07:29 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:07:29 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:07:29 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 30, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Scot Bellamy</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Quality Assurance, the data model OO/Relational</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[The greatest problem on any project is complexity. The most used recommendation and always the missing requirement is: simplicity. Anyone can talk about KIS (Keep It Simple), no one really re-engineer a data model for sake of simplicity. The most complex...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:47:30 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:47:30 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:47:30 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jordi Ferran Sanchez</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: No ORM for Me</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>No way, I was using an ORM for years to my benefit, but then I read this blog post linked to from TheServerSide.com, and now I'm 100% ORM free. I mean who needs "frameworks", right? ORM's are for idiots who don't like to write thousands of...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:49:35 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:49:35 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:49:35 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 23, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Scot Bellamy</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>No ORM for Me</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[No way, I was using an ORM for years to my benefit, but then I read this blog post linked to from TheServerSide.com, and now I'm 100% ORM free.  I mean who needs "frameworks", right?  ORM's are for idiots who don't like to write thousands of lines of...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:43:20 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:43:20 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:43:20 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 22, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Tim O'Brien</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>3</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: ORMs may not be great, but no SQLJ please ;-)</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The major problems of having SQL in your code are:...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:01:18 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:01:18 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:01:18 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 18, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Scot Bellamy</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: ORMs may not be great, but no SQLJ please ;-)</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>1) The queries cannot be shared amongst other applications; a real issue as you move beyond noddy apps.<br><br></blockquote>
Why share queries but not reuse the API using the query?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:29:00 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:29:00 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:29:00 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 17, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>carfield</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>OR make your life easy, use db4o</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[ORM or no ORM, with <a href="http://www.db4o.com">db4o</a>, you can forget about mapping files, DDLs, and SQL queries and use a single line of code to store your entire object graph:...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:41:08 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:41:08 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:41:08 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 17, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Travis Reeder</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>ORMs may not be great, but no SQLJ please ;-)</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I hear this view a lot - data is tabular so get used to it ;-)...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:47:31 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:47:31 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:47:31 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 17, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ray Mcdermott</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: No ORM: The simplest solution?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>As described in this white paper, the use of a good ORM product can typically cut down the LOC for data integration logic significantly. The appendix of the following project report shows how the new DAL implementation with NJDX OR-Mapper...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:53:53 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:53:53 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:53:53 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 4, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Scot Bellamy</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>I have seen another idiot who didn't belived in ORM</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[we had a project which should support 3 databases,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:04:12 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:04:12 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:04:12 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Oct 3, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Arash Rajaeeyan</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>ORM's are a overkill</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41715</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[1&gt; ORMs are really a overblown solution to a small problem which has been given a mouthfull name - 'OR Impedence Mismatch'...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:32:02 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:32:02 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:32:02 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 23, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dhrubo Kayal</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>3</jf:replyCount>
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