Support Forums: Message List - Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:12:35 -0400 For those who want to try it... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 now, consider JUEL....]]> Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:54:15 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:54:15 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:54:15 -0400 Aug 22, 2006 Christoph Beck 0 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 Hi Steve,

Gilad himself says that he thought Java should have had closures from the beginning. I've quoted the response he got from the marketing folk at Sun....]]> Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:10:33 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:10:33 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:10:33 -0400 Aug 22, 2006 Steve Zara 0 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:21:26 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:21:26 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:21:26 -0400 Aug 22, 2006 Paul Beckford 1 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768
4. Paul asks if the JVM is up to supporting this. Well, without VM extensions it is rather lacking, but still doable. However, we are likely to add VM support, if any of this gets done.



The way I read this...]]> Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:23:50 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:23:50 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:23:50 -0400 Aug 22, 2006 Steve Zara 2 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:19:30 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:19:30 -0400 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:19:30 -0400 Aug 22, 2006 Paul Beckford 3 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 Hi Steve,

So your speaking to me a gain :^)...]]> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:13:54 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:13:54 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:13:54 -0400 Aug 19, 2006 Steve Zara 4 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768
There are even ways of getting the advantages of static typing whilst still having the benefits and increased productivity of a dynamic language like Ruby.


Yes, there are, and some of these ways have been...]]> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:48:08 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:48:08 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:48:08 -0400 Aug 19, 2006 Paul Beckford 5 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 There are even ways of getting the advantages of static typing whilst still having the benefits and increased productivity of a dynamic language like Ruby....]]> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:35:37 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:35:37 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:35:37 -0400 Aug 19, 2006 Steve Zara 6 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:31:43 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:31:43 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:31:43 -0400 Aug 19, 2006 Paul Beckford 7 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 I don't want another 'EL' at all.

Near the top of my long list entitled 'Things I Least Want To See In Java' is this item :

4) Another small proprietary psuedo-language

Please, gently remove your heads from your butts...]]> Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:16:29 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:16:29 -0400 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:16:29 -0400 Aug 19, 2006 Paul Beckford 0 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768
what crawled up your ass?

JSTL disallows direct method invocation in the expression language


When did they add this? EL version 3.75? JSP 5.0? Servlet spec 3.5? Bah. I...]]> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:34:56 -0400 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:34:56 -0400 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:34:56 -0400 Aug 18, 2006 Constance Eustace 0 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:24:17 -0400 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:24:17 -0400 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:24:17 -0400 Aug 18, 2006 Ethan Allen 9 Re: EL guys... come on http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 What happens is eventually ou end of with getters and setters that roll back transactions, initialize (or null) orthogonal objects, and generally do all kinds of undocumented stuff.

Why does it happen? Bugfixes. Sure, it's a hack,...]]> Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:51:50 -0400 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:51:50 -0400 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:51:50 -0400 Aug 18, 2006 John Brand 0 Re: EL guys... come on http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 JSTL disallows direct method invocations? Obviously method calls are allowed, so this must be specific to the "direct" comment. You mean being able to use something other than a non-Javabean specced method call?

This annoyed me at...]]> Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:19:56 -0400 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:19:56 -0400 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:19:56 -0400 Aug 17, 2006 Aaron Evans 1 Re: Why would you want EL in the JDK? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41768 This might sound stupid but...

But why would you lock yourself into EL, and I mean EL as in syntax of EL? Why not instead define a simple interface that takes parameters, the script and returns the script results? You can then switch...]]> Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:59:43 -0400 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:59:43 -0400 Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:59:43 -0400 Aug 17, 2006 Konstantin Ignatyev 0