If they would just slow down or stop around where they are now, it would be a great thing. You are probably right that cleanup will not be feasible but a guy can dream, can't he?

If they would just slow down or stop around where they are now, it would be a great thing. You are probably right that cleanup will not be feasible but a guy can dream, can't he?

No you're...]]> Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:18:17 -0500 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:18:17 -0500 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:18:17 -0500 Dec 21, 2006 Paul Beckford 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499

If they would just slow down or stop around where they are now, it would be a great thing. You are probably right that cleanup will not be feasible but a guy can dream, can't he?

No you're wrong...]]> Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:49:00 -0500 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:49:00 -0500 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:49:00 -0500 Dec 21, 2006 Steve Zara 1 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499

If they would just slow down or stop around where they are now, it would be a great thing. You are probably right that cleanup will not be feasible but a guy can dream, can't he?

No you're wrong...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:11:12 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:11:12 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:11:12 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 Erik Engbrecht 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499

If they would just slow down or stop around where they are now, it would be a great thing. You are probably right that cleanup will not be feasible but a guy can dream, can't he?

No you're wrong it will...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:40:11 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:40:11 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:40:11 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 Paul Beckford 3 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499 If they would just slow down or stop around where they are now, it would be a great thing. You are probably right that cleanup will not be feasible but a guy can dream, can't he?

...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:32:18 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:32:18 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:32:18 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 Paul Beckford 5 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499 That is because when you add things, you introduce dependencies, which can be hard to undo. This is a common experience - just look at how the kernels of some operating systems have grown, and retrospectively splitting them up has become...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:25:35 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:25:35 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:25:35 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 James Watson 6 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499

hich packages should be bundled and which should not isn't really what I am getting at.

It was part of what I was getting at - that there would be much debate about how do to this, with many...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:39:13 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:39:13 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:39:13 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 Steve Zara 7 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499 What I am referring to is the idea of things being 'black' or 'white, and 'right' or 'wrong'.

...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:36:32 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:36:32 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:36:32 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 Steve Zara 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499

hich packages should be bundled and which should not isn't really what I am getting at.

It was part of what I was getting at - that there would be much debate about how do to this, with many incompatible ideas...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:21:56 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:21:56 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:21:56 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 James Watson 8 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499

They are most likely there, at least in some sort of shell fashion because they are part of the JDK. That strikes me as a little silly.

I can see why you think that, but as you don't have to use them... who...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:28:44 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:28:44 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:28:44 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 James Watson 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499 I think it is best I ignore the 'irrational' comment, as I know you don't (I hope) mean to post flamebait, but regarding this statement the contrasting point of view seems less appropriate to me: don't learn from experience.

...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:23:45 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:23:45 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:23:45 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 Paul Beckford 1 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499 But I'm going to venture a guess as to why package managers fail, and save James the time that he doesn't have of implementing something that Steve doesn't want.

It's the packagers. Someone has the create a package that correctly...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:15:56 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:15:56 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:15:56 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 James Watson 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499 hich packages should be bundled and which should not isn't really what I am getting at.

...]]> Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:08:07 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:08:07 -0500 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:08:07 -0500 Dec 20, 2006 Steve Zara 10 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43499 So the issue for me is why do you see this in such black and white terms? Perhaps splitting the JRE is not a good idea