Support Forums: Message List - Stroustrup: Aesthetics matter, but a language has to be useful. http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sun, 19 May 2013 07:52:06 -0400 Did you read the whole article ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 blog ]]> Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:46:32 -0500 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:46:32 -0500 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:46:32 -0500 Jan 21, 2007 Joshua Cornejo 0 Re: indents http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 Sorry, about the missing indents. I "simply pressed spacebar" like the "How to post" says... You have to use the undocumented 'pre' tag.]]> Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:36:32 -0500 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:36:32 -0500 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:36:32 -0500 Jan 20, 2007 James Watson 0 indents http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:03:26 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:03:26 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:03:26 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 Jim Hughes 1 blocks throwing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898
That's not equivalent! What happens if the loop is terminated because of an exception?


Or break or return.


What happens if break or return is called from within the...]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:59:16 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:59:16 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:59:16 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 Jim Hughes 2 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898
I don't really long for destructors because once I accepted that the functional paradigm can be used selectively in an OO language, I've found it to be superior in many cases to RIAA.


it's called RAII...]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:29:43 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:29:43 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:29:43 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 James Watson 0 Re: Which is the tail and which the dog? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 The core issue is not the ease of *writing* code in a language, but the ease of *maintaining* it. ...]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:13:39 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:13:39 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:13:39 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 Irakli Nadareishvili 0 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 I don't really long for destructors because once I accepted that the functional paradigm can be used selectively in an OO language, I've found it to be superior in many cases to RIAA....]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:41:49 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:41:49 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:41:49 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 Erik Engbrecht 0 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 I don't really long for destructors because once I accepted that the functional paradigm can be used selectively in an OO language, I've found it to be superior in many cases to RIAA. it's called RAII ;-)]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:27:12 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:27:12 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:27:12 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 Casual Visitor 1 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 Yes, I'm always finding myself longing for C++ destructors. Resource management is so much more than memory management, and garbage collection only handles memory in a satisfactory way....]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:08:28 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:08:28 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:08:28 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 James Watson 3 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 What happens if break or return is called from within the closure? Does it stop iteration or does it just move on to the next record? (I'm seriously asking, I've only played with Ruby and didn't really like it so I stopped)...]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:39:21 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:39:21 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:39:21 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 James Watson 0 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 I really your suggestion except that is has one fatal flaw (in Java). If the iteration doesn't complete successfully, the Iterable does not know that it needs to close it's resources. In C++ people use RIAA and we can use finalizers or...]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:25:23 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:25:23 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:25:23 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 Erik Engbrecht 4 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898
That's not equivalent! What happens if the loop is terminated because of an exception?


Or break or return....]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:18:42 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:18:42 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:18:42 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 Erik Engbrecht 4 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 That's not equivalent! What happens if the loop is terminated because of an exception? Or break or return.]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:02:27 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:02:27 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:02:27 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 James Watson 5 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898 Or better yet, someone could write a class that implements Iterable that takes a filename as a parameter for it's constructor, opens the file when you begin iteration, and closes it when iteration is complete.

Then the programmer could...]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:38:47 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:38:47 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:38:47 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 Niklas Therning 6 Re: closures... bad for maintainers?? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=43898
There are "elegant" syntaxes that coders love and maintainers cannot make head or tail of; the ternary conditional is always cited as an example of this, and I personally think closures are another....]]> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:32:17 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:32:17 -0500 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:32:17 -0500 Jan 19, 2007 James Watson 5