Support Forums: Message List - Norman Richards on revision of history and J2EE http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 22 May 2013 20:30:30 -0400 Re: Transparent persistence voids the need for an EJB approach http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 EJBs were probably not ill conceived (though I gave them a wide berth) though they were conceived in a time before mature transparent persistence via ORM (JDO/Hibernate) was commonplace....]]> Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:45:30 -0400 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:45:30 -0400 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:45:30 -0400 Mar 17, 2007 Roger Voss 0 Transparent persistence voids the need for an EJB approach http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:04:12 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:04:12 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:04:12 -0400 Mar 15, 2007 Chris Golfman 1 A positive J2EE experience http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:45:10 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:45:10 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:45:10 -0400 Mar 15, 2007 Roger Voss 2 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617
I had already written my own dynamic proxies so the AOP stuff seemed straighforward. Spring's AOP only took me a day to change over.

I've got junior guys able to use Spring AOP, Spring Quartz integration, Spring Transaction...]]> Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:47:36 -0400 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:47:36 -0400 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:47:36 -0400 Mar 14, 2007 David McCoy 0 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:06:50 -0400 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:06:50 -0400 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:06:50 -0400 Mar 14, 2007 Patrick Santana 0 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:04:47 -0400 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:04:47 -0400 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:04:47 -0400 Mar 14, 2007 Amin Mohammed-Coleman 1 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617
Not necessarily. You can easily use non standard open source solutions instead of J2EE such as Hibernate, JDO for persistance, Burlan and Hessian for remote communication, ...



I see you...]]> Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:41:23 -0400 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:41:23 -0400 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:41:23 -0400 Mar 14, 2007 Alexandre Poitras 0 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 I had already written my own dynamic proxies so the AOP stuff seemed straighforward. Spring's AOP only took me a day to change over.

I've got junior guys able to use Spring AOP, Spring Quartz integration, Spring Transaction support,...]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:30:55 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:30:55 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:30:55 -0400 Mar 13, 2007 Javier Castanon 3 Re: Norman Richards on revision of history and J2EE http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:24:14 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:24:14 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:24:14 -0400 Mar 13, 2007 Eddie Fung 0 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617
So true, the entire Spring API would not be considered "lightweight" - but I don't believe this has ever been claimed (and nor would a product that tries to provide many features probably claim that its feature count is...]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:37:40 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:37:40 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:37:40 -0400 Mar 13, 2007 David McCoy 4 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617
Also, the nice thing is that with Spring 'style' POJO coding it is far easier to a give a more junior team member a task without them needing to be an expert in the underlying technology. To write a session bean to perform a...]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:32:05 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:32:05 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:32:05 -0400 Mar 13, 2007 David McCoy 0 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 So true, the entire Spring API would not be considered "lightweight" - but I don't believe this has ever been claimed (and nor would a product that tries to provide many features probably claim that its feature count is...]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:50:32 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:50:32 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:50:32 -0400 Mar 13, 2007 Javier Castanon 5 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617
Not necessarily. You can easily use non standard open source solutions instead of J2EE such as Hibernate, JDO for persistance, Burlan and Hessian for remote communication, ...
...]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:41:01 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:41:01 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:41:01 -0400 Mar 13, 2007 Javier Castanon 1 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 I agree. Not without a high load of irony, I show the J2EE and Spring javadocs to someone and then ask "What is the API that is supposed to be lightweight" ...]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:55:29 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:55:29 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:55:29 -0400 Mar 13, 2007 Robert Smith 6 Re: J2EE/JavaEE easier than Spring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44617 The bulk load is still in J2EE, and Spring is a handy support library.


Javier ...]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:41:55 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:41:55 -0400 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:41:55 -0400 Mar 13, 2007 Alexandre Poitras 2