Support Forums: Message List - Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Fri, 24 May 2013 19:55:27 -0400 Sticking at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 Even if you start out with a bright programmer fresh out of school, make him maintain code that if he had written while in school he would have been kicked out of CS, pair him with the dolt who wrote it, have him watch the dolt get accolades...]]> Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:36:35 -0400 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:36:35 -0400 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:36:35 -0400 Mar 20, 2007 Bob Armour 0 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 There are a few causes. One is that little correlation has been shown between developer productivity and experience, while it has been shown that there is an order-of-magnitude difference between good and bad developers....]]> Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:49:23 -0400 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:49:23 -0400 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:49:23 -0400 Mar 18, 2007 James Watson 1 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 The fact of the matter is that doctors do go through an apprenticeship as do lawyers and other professionals even when they come from a top school. I doubt many people in these professions step into the job and starts doing the work that an...]]> Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:21:25 -0400 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:21:25 -0400 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:21:25 -0400 Mar 16, 2007 Erik Engbrecht 2 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 One thing that makes software development different than plumbing or carpentry is the education required before getting a job. Software programming is more a profession along the lines of accounting, legal, medical, etc. I would not expect...]]> Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:03:20 -0400 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:03:20 -0400 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:03:20 -0400 Mar 16, 2007 James Watson 3 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:05:05 -0400 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:05:05 -0400 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:05:05 -0400 Mar 16, 2007 Craig Blitz 4 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659
Bug fixing is a great way to introduce new folks to a code base.


Some companies have permanent positions for bug fixing....]]> Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:48:26 -0400 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:48:26 -0400 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:48:26 -0400 Mar 16, 2007 James Watson 5 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 I guess this guy never worked in the places I worked. All of those places had entry level positions that the new guys got put on.

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"Hello, Welcome to the team! You're just in time to dive in to our i18n and l10n effort. In fact, we want...]]> Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:06 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:06 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:06 -0400 Mar 15, 2007 David McCoy 0 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 Almost every really hard problem I have had to deal with was created by an inexperienced developer with too little supervision. Often these developers were considered to be 'geniuses' or 'golden-boys'....]]> Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:59:24 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:59:24 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:59:24 -0400 Mar 15, 2007 Pranab Ghosh 0 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 What I find interesting is how the software business breaks from this sort of approach. Most software developers start out at their first real job developing software. They may not get to do much design or work on the most interesting...]]> Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:54:31 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:54:31 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:54:31 -0400 Mar 15, 2007 James Watson 1 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:44:57 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:44:57 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:44:57 -0400 Mar 15, 2007 Christopher Stach II 0 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:48:10 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:48:10 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:48:10 -0400 Mar 15, 2007 Paul Strack 0 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:49:02 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:49:02 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:49:02 -0400 Mar 15, 2007 Will Hartung 9 Re: Rafe Colburn: Starting at the bottom http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44659 why doesn't software development have an apprenticeship, and would our profession be served better if there was such a thing?...]]> Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:20:03 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:20:03 -0400 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:20:03 -0400 Mar 15, 2007 Wille Faler 0