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        <title>JSP, JSF, Tapestry, and so forth - all a mess</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[This quote from the article is right on -...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:59:01 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 9, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Paul Copeland</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: condescending</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><br>But, don't worry, you don't need to know any of that. Nowdays, it's much more fashionable to chat pointlessly on "forums" like TSS, than to listen, do and learn, which used to be the mantra of understanding before. Seems like...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:30:22 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:30:22 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 3, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Irakli Nadareishvili</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Ego Part Deux</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><br>Always this ego argument... where do you base that on? I know where my involvement and that of my team members come from, and it has nothing to do with inflated egos.</blockquote><br><br>Well maybe I have been unlucky in the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:05:39 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 3, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Eelco Hillenius</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: JSP and Web Designers</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote> I've always had the designer do a mockup and we then translate it with code. (like all models, right?) </blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:00:53 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alexandre Poitras</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: JSP and Web Designers</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I have to disagree. The web designer should be free to design using the tools that are best for his job. It can be as simple as a whiteboard or even him telling you to left justify a set of labels. If you expect him to know CSS, javascript,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 13:37:23 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alexandre Poitras</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: JSP and Web Designers</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I have to disagree. The web designer should be free to design using the tools that are best for his job. It can be as simple as a whiteboard or even him telling you to left justify a set of labels. If you expect him to know CSS, javascript, html, Java,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:21:03 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Paul Lee</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: This entry isn't even worth posting.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>...but since god gave us Wicket, Tapestry and other solutions...</blockquote>

So God is a developer now?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:07:38 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Race Condition</jf:author>
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        <title>condescending</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 06:53:24 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>D Johnson</jf:author>
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        <title>Ego Part Deux</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:53:38 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>D Johnson</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: JSP and Web Designers</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Just to point that in my previous job we had the web designers develop the storyboards (html pages) of what the interface should look like.  They did not have to deal with JSPs and so they concentrated on developing the look and...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:46:20 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 1, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Irakli Nadareishvili</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: wow</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[You got a point there. Things are going back and forth. One day there's fat client, then request-response, then fat client, then client-server, then fat client.....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 03:40:49 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 1, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Pete Hakkarainen</jf:author>
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        <title>Disaster</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[No way am I going back to pure-servlet approach. hell there must be some reason why people "invented" Struts, Spring, JSF, etc. etc.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:56:25 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 31, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>jeff dumelod</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: jyog dot com Spam</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[You really are a very annoying person.  Stop abusing this forum.  I see that no one is bothering with yours.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:24:50 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 31, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Reg Whitton</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Pure servlets: Designing Web UIs for Simplicity</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Don't read this and do not suggest this article to anyone.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:36:11 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 31, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ioannis Cherouvim</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Different tools are for different requirements</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44803</link>

        

        
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        <pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:56:38 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 31, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>daringtakers</jf:author>
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