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        <title>which one is ur OS?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>J2EE will not become part of my operating system anytime soon.</blockquote>

Ohh You have your own Operation system also, Gr8  'Raul'.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:43:33 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:43:33 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 17, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>daringtakers</jf:author>
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        <title>javax.management.j2ee Listeners</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Did you try the javax.management.j2ee Listeners?
These are part of the Java EE spec.
You could e.g. try to register a NotificationListener with the J2EEManagedObject "JNDIResource".]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:17:49 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:17:49 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 13, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ralf Stoffels</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: You gotta look at the big picture</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I actually wrote web applications in C++ for a few years in the 90's. This was back at a time when the only other way to add programming to a web site was through a "cgi-bin" executable. We had our own HTTP server, and our own way of extending it via...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:25:07 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:25:07 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Frank LaRosa</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: You gotta look at the big picture</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Agree....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:18:51 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:18:51 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>alberto sarubbi</jf:author>
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        <title>You gotta look at the big picture</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Something we've been using for years, which was once thought to be the end-all of software, starts looking bad. Some people try to patch it up, while others go on to develop radical new solutions. Eventually one of the newcomers takes over and becomes...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:56:06 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:56:06 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Frank LaRosa</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Editorial: Where Java EE goes horribly wrong</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I work for Sun so I could be a bit biased here, but you can build and manage that very easily with <a href="http://developers.sun.com/javacaps/index.jsp">Sun's Java CAPS</a> (formerly known as SeeBeeyond's ICAN) without being bothered by...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:39:28 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:39:28 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:39:28 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Apr 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Joseph Ottinger</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Editorial: Where Java EE goes horribly wrong</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Here's the backstory: I'm writing an EIS component to receive mail. It needs to falsify email addresses (i.e., all addresses are dynamic) and my intent was, as email came in, to forward each email to a JMS queue. The JMS queue would be...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:19:20 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:19:20 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Maurizio Turatti</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Decent point, rubbish example</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[should it be the problem of POP3 protocol itself instead of the spec from JEE? let's thinking of a "outlook express" client connecting to a POP3 server, it is using "polling" too. I think we share blame on POP3 protocol instead of JEE. what do u think?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:30:42 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:30:42 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 9, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rock Ching</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: And it doesn't get any better with clustering</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[is JMX in JEE spec? I wonder...

and for ur case, should it be handled very well by using Topic and MDB? all are JEE standard...

let's discuss. I think we can learn more :)]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:12:09 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:12:09 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 9, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rock Ching</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: I hate having flies in my soup, let me just eat flies then.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I am not sure I get your point.<br><br>You are criticizing EE because it doesn't cover all of your corner cases and that you have to rely on non-standard API to fulfill these gaps, right? <br><br>And then you explain us that it is the reason...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 05:57:03 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 05:57:03 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 9, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Joseph Ottinger</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Editorial: Where Java EE goes horribly wrong</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Adding event mechanisms to j2ee servers as a standart may help. ServerListener for standart server activities, AdminListener for administator activites, JndiListener for JNDI changes, ConnectionPoolListener for connection pool events etc......]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:26:02 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 9, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Burak AYDIN</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Implementation vs. Spec</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Do we really want Java EE to be a spec, or wouldn't we all really rather forgo the pain and have Java EE be an implementation?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:21:40 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:21:40 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 8, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Persistability Ltd</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Implementation vs. Spec</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Do we really want Java EE to be a spec, or wouldn't we all really rather forgo the pain and have Java EE be an implementation?...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:18:21 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 8, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>John Reynolds</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: I hate having flies in my soup, let me just eat flies then.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[But Joe has a good point.  EE needs a real kernel behind it so that we as vendors can extend and innovate and yet be portable to other application servers.  From the beginning, if EE had started out as a kernel specification and then built on top of it...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:16:45 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 8, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill Burke</jf:author>
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        <title>And it doesn't get any better with clustering</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=44911</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Good points Joseph, couldn't agree more....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 06:09:17 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 8, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Pascal Bleser</jf:author>
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