Support Forums: Message List - Dan Creswell: Victims Of J2EE Success http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Fri, 24 May 2013 04:39:22 -0400 Re: Ebay and Google are not enterprise apps http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 While the authors raise this important issue, we must understand that eBay and Google apps are not "enterprise apps" ; they are self-hosted consumer oriented apps. These apps have very different requirements than those addressed by...]]> Wed, 02 May 2007 04:59:43 -0400 Wed, 02 May 2007 04:59:43 -0400 Wed, 02 May 2007 04:59:43 -0400 May 2, 2007 Dan Creswell 0 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spot%20on]]> Tue, 01 May 2007 14:25:45 -0400 Tue, 01 May 2007 14:25:45 -0400 Tue, 01 May 2007 14:25:45 -0400 May 1, 2007 Mark N 0 Ebay and Google are not enterprise apps http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:00:01 -0400 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:00:01 -0400 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:00:01 -0400 Apr 30, 2007 hacking bear 1 Re: Not Invented at Sun Microsystems http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 I would like to point out some things..

1, Some solutions make it into J2ee and some do not:

Made into J2ee spec:
-JMX, Jboss
Still outside the spec:
-OSGi

..and quite frankly both JMX and OSGi have...]]> Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:01:46 -0400 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:01:46 -0400 Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:01:46 -0400 Apr 30, 2007 Dan Creswell 0 Not Invented at Sun Microsystems http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:18:39 -0400 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:18:39 -0400 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:18:39 -0400 Apr 29, 2007 Fred Grott 1 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 Most of you seem to be missing the point. This isn't limited to logging. You could monitor Sandra Bullock's tuckus FROM SPACE with JMX if you had enough time.

I think the point of the blog post is centered on the mindset of most...]]> Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:46:33 -0400 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:46:33 -0400 Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:46:33 -0400 Apr 29, 2007 Dan Creswell 0 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165
... or I totally missed the point. :)


Seem to be spot on to me. Do explain.]]> Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:42:10 -0400 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:42:10 -0400 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:42:10 -0400 Apr 28, 2007 Christopher Stach II 1 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 ... or I totally missed the point. :) Seem to be spot on to me.]]> Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:58:04 -0400 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:58:04 -0400 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:58:04 -0400 Apr 28, 2007 Mark N 2 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:15:54 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:15:54 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:15:54 -0400 Apr 27, 2007 Christopher Stach II 4 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:25:40 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:25:40 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:25:40 -0400 Apr 27, 2007 wlouth 0 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:23:20 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:23:20 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:23:20 -0400 Apr 27, 2007 wlouth 1 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 There is a difference between "metering" and "monitoring" ... JMX is devoid of context and offers little in the way of metering which is not the same as monitoring....]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:53:26 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:53:26 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:53:26 -0400 Apr 27, 2007 Michael Galpin 2 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 One could only wish that BMC Patrol, or any other "top-shelf" framework could really address the issue of management of custom J2EE or even plain Java applications....]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:05:32 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:05:32 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:05:32 -0400 Apr 27, 2007 wlouth 0 Re: Deployment and Monitoring http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:15:05 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:15:05 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:15:05 -0400 Apr 27, 2007 Cédrik LIME 0 Re: Dan Creswell: Victims Of J2EE Success http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45165
Monitoring, hot-upgrading (deployment?) and scaling are non-functional requirements that have nothing to do with J2EE spec. Some J2EE vendors are bound to be better at it then others, but there is no fundamental reason why a J2EE...]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:09:38 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:09:38 -0400 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:09:38 -0400 Apr 27, 2007 Dejan Predovic 0