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Support Forums: Message List - SOA? CORBA? The Acronym Changed, Situation Remains http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Fri, 24 May 2013 23:54:55 -0400 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613

If you are interested in REST as an alternative to WS-*

Well, I am, which is why I did read Fieldings work, some year ago. I just happened to come to a different conclusion than you.

It doesnt have to...]]> Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:12:39 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:12:39 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:12:39 -0400 Jun 6, 2007 Paul Beckford 0 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613 If you are interested in REST as an alternative to WS-*...]]> Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:50:51 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:50:51 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:50:51 -0400 Jun 6, 2007 John Brand 1 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613

Hi John,

Like I said, REST is just an option. What I have found is that it is much simpler than WS-* for most use-cases.

I think that depends on what you think should be included in "most use-cases". I...]]> Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:42:17 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:42:17 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:42:17 -0400 Jun 6, 2007 Paul Beckford 2 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613 Hi Guido,

I'm wrong? I suggest that you read the dissertation for yourself and then decide :^).

Feel free to contact me on my blog when you are better informed:

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:03:20 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:03:20 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:03:20 -0400 Jun 6, 2007 Guido Anzuoni 0 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613 Hi John,

Like I said, REST is just an option. What I have found is that it is much simpler than WS-* for most use-cases....]]> Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:00:48 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:00:48 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:00:48 -0400 Jun 6, 2007 John Brand 3 Extension myths http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613 Say if you extend your service, this represents a change to the service interface, but existing clients will still work, possibly ignoring the extensions....]]> Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:50:02 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:50:02 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:50:02 -0400 Jun 6, 2007 Karl Banke 0 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613

Hi Guido,

This is partially true. What is the service here ?
The webserver or the "implementation" of the resource ?
If it is the webserver, well, tell me, what is the difference with a CORBA server...]]> Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:07:49 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:07:49 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:07:49 -0400 Jun 6, 2007 Paul Beckford 1 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613 Hi Guido,

This is partially true. What is the service here ?
The webserver or the "implementation" of the resource ?
If it is the webserver, well, tell me, what is the difference with a CORBA server ?
If the...]]> Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:03:06 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:03:06 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:03:06 -0400 Jun 6, 2007 Guido Anzuoni 2 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613
Nope, Paul, youre just moving the "interface" into the document/payload instead of clearly stating it in the operation signature.

There can be plenty of reasons for doing so, but looser coupling isnt one of...]]> Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:28:00 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:28:00 -0400 Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:28:00 -0400 Jun 6, 2007 Paul Beckford 4 SOA is not another CORBA , there is a lot of difference http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:50:46 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:50:46 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:50:46 -0400 Jun 5, 2007 Bikram Sinha 0 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613
Nope, Paul, youre just moving the "interface" into the document/payload instead of clearly stating it in the operation signature.

There can be plenty of reasons for doing so, but looser coupling isnt one of...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:43:05 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:43:05 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:43:05 -0400 Jun 5, 2007 John Brand 5 Re: Self-demonstrative incompetence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613 Hi Paul.

Sorry I answer till now. Thanks to read my blog!
But I'm not sure if you read actually mine, since I have not post on Rest.

Anyway, I agree totally with you. Let me tell you that I understand what the "Uniform...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:44:57 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:44:57 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:44:57 -0400 Jun 5, 2007 Paul Beckford 0 Re: Self-demonstrative incompetence http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:06:01 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:06:01 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:06:01 -0400 Jun 5, 2007 William Martinez 1 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613 Nope, Paul, youre just moving the "interface" into the document/payload instead of clearly stating it in the operation signature.

There can be plenty of reasons for doing so, but looser coupling isnt one of them.

HTTP post is...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:00:09 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:00:09 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:00:09 -0400 Jun 5, 2007 Paul Beckford 7 Re: The never changing interface http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45613
So with REST the interface never needs to chnage, and as a consequence is less brittle then CORBA or WS-*. Incidently pure OO message passing uses the same trick. It is the server that...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:35:12 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:35:12 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:35:12 -0400 Jun 5, 2007 John Brand 8