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        <title>&quot;Java EE 6 Gets it Right&quot; thanks to Seam &amp;#38; Spring</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Java EE used to be imo a vendor oriented force. Developer interests got trampled. That resulted in the famous JEE blowback....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:59:48 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:59:48 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 11, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>joost de vries</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Put out or shut up Rod</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Perhaps that seems like I'm asking you to kiss ass. Well, no, I actually don't need continuous asskissing. I'm merely pointing out that this "safe option" is always available to you in any opensource forum, if you're sensitive to "direct"...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:12:11 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Werner Punz</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: VC</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>I respect what you guys are doing, and am encouraged that you are becoming a full-service business, with the funding you have received, and believe that will be good for the ecosystem of products that developers will have to...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:09:44 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Werner Punz</jf:author>
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        <title>VC</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I respect what you guys are doing, and am encouraged that you are becoming a full-service business, with the funding you have received, and believe that will be good for the ecosystem of products that developers will have to choose from to...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:14:12 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Christian Seiler</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Rod Johnson: &quot;Java EE 6 Gets it Right&quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Cause - read marketing.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:59:39 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 9, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>George Jiang</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Juergen</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I will look for Spring to promote what you say alongside the messages for promoting your platform.  I don't see this Spring/JEE relationship as a zero-sum affair, where there are corresponding winners and losers, this is a positive step for the entire...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:31:29 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 9, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>douglas dooley</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Put out or shut up Rod</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Just saw this today, and couldn't agree more Corby.

Bill - learn some manners, your tone and words are shameful. Make an argument instead of these spiteful comments.

Mark]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:08:38 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 9, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Mark Waschkowski</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Rod Johnson: &quot;Java EE 6 Gets it Right&quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[One thing is for sure. JEE6 will help the cause of Spring, just like EJB3 helped the cause of Hibernate.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:04:10 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>George Jiang</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: anti-JEE5</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Douglas,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:18:36 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 7, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Juergen Hoeller</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>3</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Put out or shut up Rod</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>As I pointed out, Spring included documentation on both DAO implementation styles very early.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:32:11 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Davide Baroncelli</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Put out or shut up Rod</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I think the Spring framework is mature enough to join a standards effort, don't you?</blockquote>

I do.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:06:52 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Eelco Hillenius</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Put out or shut up Rod</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>We did it with Hibernate and now with Seam and we found that really embracing standards instead of giving them lip service is a great business enabler.<br><br>Bill</blockquote><br><br>The big question is when - if ever...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:40:16 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill Burke</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Put out or shut up Rod</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Pretty much everyone here in this list has been insulted one or several times in the jboss forums by the jboss people themselves. I personally think, while your technical contributions are excellent, the attitude has cost you guys a lot more...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:30:42 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Gavin King</jf:author>
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        <title>anti-JEE5</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Thats great that you can wait for the 2-3 year build-out of another rev. of the app servers to support the "new" JEE specification, but last time I checked we were just beginning the build-out of the JEE5 spec. for app server implementations - - it is...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:18:54 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>douglas dooley</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Put out or shut up Rod</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46065</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>We did it with Hibernate and now with Seam and we found that really embracing standards instead of giving them lip service is a great business enabler.<br><br>Bill</blockquote><br><br>The big question is when - if ever - the time...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:09:46 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill Burke</jf:author>
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