Support Forums: Message List - TDD is an Approach, not a Task http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Fri, 24 May 2013 00:27:41 -0400 Re: Re: A matter of Cost Benefit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46472
The estimates I've heard for learning TDD are that it takes about three months to get the hang of it and about a year to get really good at it. In my experience, that sounds about right.

Some won't want to invest that much...]]> Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:19:28 -0400 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:19:28 -0400 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:19:28 -0400 Aug 10, 2007 Race Condition 0 Re: TDD is an Approach, not a Task http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46472 Do I need to write code to test my test code? If so do I write that first?
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It seems to me that unless you can get everyone on a team doing TDD, it's not going to be successful. Do people who are TDD advocates agree or is there a way to do it without getting everyone...]]> Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:48:30 -0400 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:48:30 -0400 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:48:30 -0400 Aug 10, 2007 Stan Silvert 1 Re: TDD on a team http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46472
It seems to me that unless you can get everyone on a team doing TDD, it's not going to be successful. Do people who are TDD advocates agree or is there a way to do it without getting everyone on-board?

You can...]]> Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:10:59 -0400 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:10:59 -0400 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:10:59 -0400 Aug 10, 2007 James Watson 2 Re: TDD on a team http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46472 It seems to me that unless you can get everyone on a team doing TDD, it's not going to be successful. Do people who are TDD advocates agree or is there a way to do it without getting everyone on-board?
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The estimates I've heard for learning TDD are that it takes about three months to get the hang of it and about a year to get really good at it. In my experience, that sounds about right.

Some won't want to invest that much...]]> Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:58:58 -0400 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:58:58 -0400 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:58:58 -0400 Aug 9, 2007 Stan Silvert 1 Re: Re: A matter of Cost Benefit http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46472 The estimates I've heard for learning TDD are that it takes about three months to get the hang of it and about a year to get really good at it. In my experience, that sounds about right....]]> Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:30:18 -0400 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:30:18 -0400 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:30:18 -0400 Aug 9, 2007 Paul Lee 6 Re: TDD is an Approach, not a Task http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=46472 If you want to write it, test it end to end, then think about unit testing, refactor it to be testable, refactor it to simplify the API, then retest it end to end I guess that could work,
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