Support Forums: Message List - Polyglot programming on the Java Platform http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 22 May 2013 07:35:39 -0400 Re: C++ and Java http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184 So if it *is* possible to merge all languages at an abstract level (say, an Abstract Syntax Tree is used on the backend that is similair to Java's), it is theoretically possibly to input and output any other language from that syntax tree....]]> Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:46:19 -0400 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:46:19 -0400 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:46:19 -0400 Oct 22, 2007 Erik Engbrecht 0 Re: C++ and Java http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184

I think C++ templates make it significantly more expressive than Java, assuming you can make sense of them. I would not call the two languages semantically equivalent beyond the fact that they are both turing complete....]]> Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:38:09 -0400 Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:38:09 -0400 Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:38:09 -0400 Oct 19, 2007 Sal F 1 C++ and Java http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184 Ultimately I think the language barriers will break down, since C++ and Java are really only different syntacticly, by semantically equivalent, programmer toolsets I think will merge similairly....]]> Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:25:05 -0400 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:25:05 -0400 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:25:05 -0400 Oct 16, 2007 Erik Engbrecht 2 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184 ...]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:30:15 -0400 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:30:15 -0400 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:30:15 -0400 Oct 15, 2007 Sal F 3 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184 Since a microprocessor only understands procedural statements,...]]> Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:29:02 -0400 Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:29:02 -0400 Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:29:02 -0400 Oct 12, 2007 James Watson 4 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184
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Or more accurately - procedural logic that creates code which, embodies other procedural logic. Whether it crosses language boundries (generate 'other' languages) or stays within the current language (say, reflexive...]]> Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:28:41 -0400 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:28:41 -0400 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:28:41 -0400 Oct 11, 2007 Erik Engbrecht 6 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184
Or more accurately - procedural logic that creates code which, embodies other procedural logic. Whether it crosses language boundries (generate 'other' languages) or stays within the current language (say, reflexive languages) it...]]> Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:52:44 -0400 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:52:44 -0400 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:52:44 -0400 Oct 11, 2007 Sal F 7 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184 Or more accurately - procedural logic that creates code which, embodies other procedural logic. Whether it crosses language boundries (generate 'other' languages) or stays within the current language (say, reflexive languages) it still...]]> Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:46:21 -0400 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:46:21 -0400 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:46:21 -0400 Oct 11, 2007 Erik Engbrecht 8 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184
If you look at all the toolsets, Java to Javascript via GWT or j2s, Actionscript via j2as, etc. the common thread is they all work of of Java's AST (Abstract Syntax Tree).


This is just code generation, not...]]> Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:01:56 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:01:56 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:01:56 -0400 Oct 10, 2007 Sal F 9 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184 If you look at all the toolsets, Java to Javascript via GWT or j2s, Actionscript via j2as, etc. the common thread is they all work of of Java's AST (Abstract Syntax Tree).
This is just code generation, not metaprogramming.]]> Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:33:10 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:33:10 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:33:10 -0400 Oct 10, 2007 Erik Engbrecht 10 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184
Or don't use one at all? UML w/state mechanics works fine


UML is a language. That's what the 'L' stands for: 'language'.
...]]> Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:32 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:32 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:32 -0400 Oct 10, 2007 Sal F 0 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184 Or don't use one at all? UML w/state mechanics works fine
UML is a language. That's what the 'L' stands for: 'language'.]]> Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:04:58 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:04:58 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:04:58 -0400 Oct 10, 2007 James Watson 1 Re: Simplification http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184
Soon the 'source' language won't be Java anymore, but likely something more suitable for Metaprogramming. I'll put $$ on this one =)


What language would you bet on?

The thing is I think static typing is...]]> Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:23:06 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:23:06 -0400 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:23:06 -0400 Oct 10, 2007 Sal F 13 Re: Multiple languages as an academic exercise http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47184 The JVM was written for Java. That's the language it's most suited to run. Other languages generally jump through hoops in order to run on it - with the exception of Groovy of course, which also targets the JVM.
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