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        <title>Re: No, it shouldn't</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Thank you, Frank. I, too, started with BASIC in 1987 when I was a little older than your son, and I believe it is a perfectly reasonable starting point. And so is Java-- as long as the developer, as you say, has the curiosity and motivation to keep...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:12:10 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:12:10 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:12:10 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Joe Kauzlarich</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: SQL and relational theory</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Would you consider ... <i>relational model</i>  to be obscure to SQL programmers?</blockquote>Definitely.</blockquote><br>Are you referring to those guys who happen to write a line or two <i>SELECT</i>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:12:16 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:12:16 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:12:16 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ke Jin</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: SQL and relational theory</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Would you consider ... <i>relational model</i>  to be obscure to SQL programmers?</blockquote>Definitely.</blockquote><br>Are you referring to those guys who happen to write a line or two <i>SELECT</i> statements...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:48:23 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:48:23 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:48:23 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bostjan Dolenc</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>It's better than C++</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Java is a much better teaching tool than C++...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:19:59 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:19:59 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Dec 10, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>william c</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Ridiculous.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Those things have nothing to do with programming; I use data structures, lists, algorithms and yes even recursion in Java; it's the same regardless of what language it's being done in.  Is someone actually complaining because doing it in Java...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:42:16 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:42:16 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:42:16 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 7, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ke Jin</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: This Is Based On One Guy?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Would you consider ... <i>relational model</i>  to be obscure to SQL programmers?</blockquote>Definitely.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:36:52 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:36:52 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:36:52 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 7, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ke Jin</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Ridiculous.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Those things have nothing to do with programming; I use data structures, lists, algorithms and yes even recursion in Java; it's the same regardless of what language it's being done in.  Is someone actually complaining because doing it in Java is less...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:09:31 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:09:31 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:09:31 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 7, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Tracy Milburn</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: This Is Based On One Guy?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Would you consider ... <i>relational model</i>  to be obscure to SQL programmers?</blockquote>Definitely.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:05:02 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:05:02 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:05:02 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 7, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bostjan Dolenc</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>3</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Names ARE IMPORTANT</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:01:51 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:01:51 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Dec 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Cameron Purdy</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Should Java be banned from schools?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Once we stop taking ourselves so seriously, perhaps we can stop and ponder, just how our industry actually works. Dominated by product marketing. Is that the trait of an industry based on science?</blockquote><br><br>I don't know....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:35:21 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:35:21 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Dec 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Paul Beckford</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Should Java be banned from schools?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Once we stop taking ourselves so seriously, perhaps we can stop and ponder, just how our industry actually works. Dominated by product marketing. Is that the trait of an industry based on science?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:31:17 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Erik Engbrecht</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Should Java be banned from schools?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The real task is not nulling references to next/previous too soon when, for example, adding a node into a linked list.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:33:52 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:33:52 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill Pyne</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Should Java be banned from schools?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I've read Joel Spolsky's blog "The Perils of Java" again. The first time I read it was a few months ago but I didn't really think too much about what he said. After reading it again, I think his premise is wrong. His main premise is that Java dumbs down...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:59:43 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:59:43 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:59:43 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill Pyne</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Ho, hum - keeping the flames alive...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA["If I have to explain the meaning of every word I used, rather than use it, then I will never communicate with anybody - which some might say to be a good thing. E.g. what do you mean by "smokescreen"?"...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:01:43 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:01:43 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:01:43 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Dec 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Adrian Brock</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: elitist nonsense</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47732</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Hi Karl,<br><br>Stable against type changes. You can add a new column to your database table and the functions that manipulate your hashmap (database record) don't need changing. Where as with an object you've got to add a new getter and...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 04:30:19 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 6, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Karl Banke</jf:author>
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