Support Forums: Message List - Bruce Eckel: Java, Evolutionary Dead End http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Mon, 20 May 2013 21:34:21 -0400 Bruce Eckel is righ, Java has reached language nirvana http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994 "The right thing to do is just not add the feature at all (what fun is that?). That if you can't do it right then maybe the language should stop growing and become stable....]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:29:29 -0500 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:29:29 -0500 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:29:29 -0500 Jan 11, 2008 Slava Imeshev 0 Re: Better is not always good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994
Can you give an example of an engineer 'mass producing designs.' How would one go about producing 1000s or millions or designs at once and what purpose would be served by doing so?


If you are...]]> Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:29:50 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:29:50 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:29:50 -0500 Jan 9, 2008 Ric Wang 0 Re: Better is not always good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994
I am of the opposite opinion: You have to drive for "digging a hole" kind of simplicity/limitation in order to achieve effective mass production in any industry. Software is no exception.


I agree that simple,...]]> Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:12:32 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:12:32 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:12:32 -0500 Jan 9, 2008 Ric Wang 0 Re: Better is not always good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994
Can you give an example of an engineer 'mass producing designs.' How would one go about producing 1000s or millions or designs at once and what purpose would be served by doing so?


If you are referring my...]]> Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:11:54 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:11:54 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:11:54 -0500 Jan 9, 2008 James Watson 1 Re: Better is not always good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994 I am of the opposite opinion: You have to drive for "digging a hole" kind of simplicity/limitation in order to achieve effective mass production in any industry. Software is no exception.
...]]> Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:32:34 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:32:34 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:32:34 -0500 Jan 9, 2008 Bill Pyne 1 Re: Better is not always good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994 Can you give an example of an engineer 'mass producing designs.' How would one go about producing 1000s or millions or designs at once and what purpose would be served by doing so?...]]> Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:08:48 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:08:48 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:08:48 -0500 Jan 9, 2008 Ric Wang 2 Re: Better is not always good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994 Can you give an example of an engineer 'mass producing designs.' How would one go about producing 1000s or millions or designs at once and what purpose would be served by doing so?...]]> Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:55:16 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:55:16 -0500 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:55:16 -0500 Jan 9, 2008 Ric Wang 0 Re: What's wrong with doing it in todya's Java? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994
They are useful but I think the cost is too great. You need a lawyer to decipher the JLS now. OK, it was already a little convoluted in areas but now it's insane.


Well... I have only briefly skimmed over some...]]> Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:02:36 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:02:36 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:02:36 -0500 Jan 8, 2008 James Watson 0 Re: What's wrong with doing it in todya's Java? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994 They are useful but I think the cost is too great. You need a lawyer to decipher the JLS now. OK, it was already a little convoluted in areas but now it's insane....]]> Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:53:13 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:53:13 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:53:13 -0500 Jan 8, 2008 hacking bear 1 Re: Scala feels like chinese http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994
I don't want to get on my stump (again) but we really do need a more rigorous engineering discipline. Classic CS is more akin to math or physics and newer style CS programs focused on producing developers lack...]]> Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:43:16 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:43:16 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:43:16 -0500 Jan 8, 2008 James Watson 0 Re: Scala feels like chinese http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994 What I am against are people trying to twist a language away from the stated goals of it's creator and condescending to people who attempt to use it for what it was designed for.
...]]> Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:49:10 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:49:10 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:49:10 -0500 Jan 8, 2008 Bill Pyne 1 Re: Bruce Eckel: Java, Evolutionary Dead End http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:25:56 -0500 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:05:59 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:25:56 -0500 Jan 8, 2008 Rick Hightower 1 Re: What's wrong with doing it in todya's Java? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994
Because, as has been mentioned already, without breaking backwards compatibility, these features are hard to implement in an elegant way.

Some maybe but we have to judge on a case-by-case base. Also absolute...]]> Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:53:30 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:53:30 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:53:30 -0500 Jan 8, 2008 James Watson 2 Re: Scala feels like chinese http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994 You're right, the business world nowadays requires fast and furious changes. A finance company I worked in bought and sold other companies quicker than a day trader trades stock. New portfolios, new lines of business, merging new lines with...]]> Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:42:07 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:42:07 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:42:07 -0500 Jan 8, 2008 James Watson 2 Re: Better is not always good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47994
Hi Ric,

Yes you're you can, All you need is a silver bullet :^). Try reading Fred Brooks.

Paul.

PS. I don't mean to be condescending, but Fred Brooks dismissed this myth over 30 years ago. I don't mean to pick...]]> Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:12:07 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:12:07 -0500 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:12:07 -0500 Jan 8, 2008 Paul Beckford 0