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        <title>denil</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the nice blog. It was very useful for me. Keep sharing such ideas in the future as well. This was actually what I was looking for, and I am glad to came here! Thanks for sharing the such information with us.<a...]]></description>
        

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        <title>Always keep the businesslogic in the businesslayer...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Currently the lifespan of a web-layer is shorter then the lifespan of the services. Especially is services are re-used, like webservices/SOAP. That means you should really seperate the two... Else you need to reinvent the wheel if you change the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:55:54 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Roy van Rijn</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Its like buying insurance</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I know we are not here to discuss the validity of the metaphor, but. . . ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:48:34 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Jeff Santini</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: It's like buying insurance</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Actually, insurance is provably a bad investment.  If it wasn't so, no insurance company would be in business.  The insurers are betting that they won't have to pay out as much as they take in.  And by and large, their right.  Even after a disaster, most...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:16:51 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Aaron Evans</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: There's only one real option.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Some people will even test getters and setters...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:01:59 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Aaron Evans</jf:author>
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        <title>It's another question</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I feel like the real question (after you have decoupled presentation controller and business facade) is where to construct your pojo:...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:12:28 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Yuval Goldstein</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Web Application: To couple or Not to couple?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[There are good reasons for decoupling:...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:26:00 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 5, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Slava Imeshev</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Not strictly true</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Even if the actions are POJOs they still have a dependency on web types such as HTTPServletRequest, which means you will need to use mock objects in you unit tests for these. no?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:13:16 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <title>not really</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Even if the actions are POJOs they still have a dependency on web types such as HTTPServletRequest, which means you will need to use mock objects in you unit tests for these. no?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:47:33 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Clay Mitchell</jf:author>
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        <title>&quot;Business Logic&quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[At the end of the day, decoupling is good and the overhead is negligible (well if you really want you can create a configuration nightmare from it, but you don't have to - there is always new() :-) ). ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:51:12 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Karl Banke</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Web Application: To couple or Not to couple?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I did not know (maybe I am wrong) that with Struts2 you can inject a session like a Map. I think you are taking decoupled as "not extending anything".</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:11:30 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <title>It's like buying insurance</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I recall a lot of times when splitting the code into the action framework action class (Struts) or method (JSF) and the business facade looked like an overhead....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:45:29 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Yuval Goldstein</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Web Application: To couple or Not to couple?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[For me, as a general rule, #1 is the most obvious solution....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:52:43 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Guido Anzuoni</jf:author>
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        <title>Not strictly true</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Even if the actions are POJOs they still have a dependency on web types such as HTTPServletRequest, which means you will need to use mock objects in you unit tests for these. no?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:15:06 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>graham renney</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Web Application: To couple or Not to couple?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48304</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Mentawai is totally different than Struts2. Mentawai is full-stack, does not use any annotation-hell or xml-hell</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:02:35 -0500</pubDate>

        

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