Support Forums: Message List - Book: Murach's Java Servlets and JSP (2nd Edition) http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 22 May 2013 07:28:02 -0400 Re: Disservice to JSP http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:56:22 -0500 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:56:22 -0500 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:56:22 -0500 Feb 26, 2008 Joel Murach 0 Re: RE. Disservice to JSP http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 But there's an obligation I think for authors to not simply reiterate Spec documents, but also to provide "best practices". The best practices of today are different than they were in 1997. There's no reason a JSP book couldn't present JSP...]]> Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:45:56 -0500 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:45:56 -0500 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:45:56 -0500 Feb 23, 2008 Steve Cresswell 0 you win, the book must suck http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 The reality is folks will take what they see and cut and paste their way to a solution.

That's plain fact. Programmers are lazy, ESPECIALLY today. I think it's a GOOD thing that lazy, less skilled programmers can develop systems. We...]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:34:29 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:34:29 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:34:29 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Jeff Salter 0 Re: JSP? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 Are there in this day and age living mortals still using this JSP thing?...]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:14:20 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:14:20 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:14:20 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Cédrik LIME 0 Re: The Serlvet / JSP horse has bolted... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:02:04 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:02:04 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:02:04 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Angelo Andreetto 0 Re: The Serlvet / JSP horse has bolted... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 ... aside of the obvious, I just wanted to focus on the fact that JSP are neither nice nor "elegant". I believe that JSP still make sense mostly in outdated action-based frameworks for small scale projects. I've seen recently a full MVC web...]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:27:44 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:27:44 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:27:44 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Joseph Ottinger 1 Re: The Serlvet / JSP horse has bolted... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 Well, there's the obvious "What if I don't want to use JSF?" question, and then there's the "But even facelets may not be the preferred rendering mechanism for JSF 2.0..." point....]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:17:01 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:17:01 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:17:01 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Angelo Andreetto 2 Re: The Serlvet / JSP horse has bolted... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:00:16 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:00:16 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:00:16 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Steve Cresswell 0 JSP? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:05:43 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:05:43 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:05:43 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Jan de Jonge 1 Re: The Serlvet / JSP horse has bolted... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459
Without access to the later chapters I won't presume that they've stated, "forget everything you've learned so far, it was in there for purely historical reasons, the following is how you should be writing web apps."
...]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:57:51 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:57:51 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:57:51 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Joseph Ottinger 3 Re: The Serlvet / JSP horse has bolted... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 Without access to the later chapters I won't presume that they've stated, "forget everything you've learned so far, it was in there for purely historical reasons, the following is how you should be writing web apps." May I ask a...]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:36:55 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:36:55 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:36:55 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Angelo Andreetto 5 Re: The Serlvet / JSP horse has bolted... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 ...]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:47:37 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:47:37 -0500 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:47:37 -0500 Feb 21, 2008 Steve Cresswell 6 Re: Murachs's books are outstanding http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 It's also refreshing for a book to fully cover both Servlets and JSP, as opposed to many books that focus on one or the other. To me, Servlets and and JSPs are two sides to the same coin, and both need to be fully covered in the same...]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:25:14 -0500 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:25:14 -0500 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:25:14 -0500 Feb 20, 2008 George Jiang 0 Re: Book: Murach's Java Servlets and JSP (2nd Edition) http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 Amazon Bestsellers - Books - Java. Head First Servlets and JSP is usually more popular than this book, but today it is less popular.]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:15:14 -0500 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:15:14 -0500 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:15:14 -0500 Feb 20, 2008 George Jiang 0 Re: RE. Disservice to JSP http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48459 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:06:35 -0500 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:06:35 -0500 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:06:35 -0500 Feb 20, 2008 Will Hartung 2