Support Forums: Message List - "Java is losing the battle for the modern web"... http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sat, 25 May 2013 18:00:59 -0400 Follow up from Andi Gutmans http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 Thu, 01 May 2008 18:21:07 -0400 Thu, 01 May 2008 18:21:07 -0400 Thu, 01 May 2008 18:21:07 -0400 May 1, 2008 Andi Gutmans 0 I beg to disagree http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 How much have you used it? How complex of applications have you built with it? For hello world apps it is wonderful. For plain ol' CRUD apps it is pretty good too. But it makes complex apps VERY complex. Better than ASP (classic)? Oh yeah....]]> Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:19:00 -0400 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:19:00 -0400 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:19:00 -0400 Apr 23, 2008 Ozioma Ihekwoaba 0 Asp.Net makes apps complex? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016
You are completely wrong in yous statement.

It is not my statement. It is my experience.

ASP.NET is nothing but an awesome component model to develop web based...]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:20:07 -0400 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:20:07 -0400 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:20:07 -0400 Apr 16, 2008 D M 0 Re: different job, different tool? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 Of course you can do that also with JSP, but JSP developers will be inclined to go with standard design patterns and make things overly complex.
Inclined by whom? Should be "standard" rather than standard here :-)]]> Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:08:33 -0400 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:08:33 -0400 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:08:33 -0400 Apr 15, 2008 Dmitry Namiot 0 Speed to market http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:04:22 -0400 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:04:22 -0400 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:04:22 -0400 Apr 15, 2008 duane rosengartner 0 Re: different job, different tool? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 shouldn't the question be if JSP(or JSF/Velocity etc.) is losing the battle? For jobs that require 75 % of effort to be spend on rendering web pages and just showing some content from a database, a whole 3-tier solution with a MVC framework...]]> Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:18:22 -0400 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:18:22 -0400 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:18:22 -0400 Apr 15, 2008 David McCoy 0 Indeed - concurrent users != active requests http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:23:43 -0400 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:23:43 -0400 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:23:43 -0400 Apr 15, 2008 Gwyn Evans 0 different job, different tool? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:57:29 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:57:29 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:57:29 -0400 Apr 14, 2008 dirk de kok 2 Re: "Java is losing the battle for the modern web"... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016

Sorry but when i read this sentence, i have thought that you didn't choose the right job...


As I said I spent 1-2 weekend days to learn Java and a few frameworks along with some other activities, including...]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:15:22 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:15:22 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:15:22 -0400 Apr 14, 2008 Mark N 3 Re: Java is Simple, so is JSP. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 http://www.servletsuite.com/jsp.htm]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:11:55 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:11:55 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:11:55 -0400 Apr 14, 2008 coldjava 0 Re: "Java is losing the battle for the modern web"... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016
Sorry but when i read this sentence, i have thought that you didn't choose the right job......]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:10:40 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:10:40 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:10:40 -0400 Apr 14, 2008 Siamak Sarmady 4 Re: "Java is losing the battle for the modern web"... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016
I run 4000 concurrent users on a very complicated web application (Every page contains up to 20 queries) on a single 8 core server (MySQL + PHP 5.2 OOP + Zend Framework).

OMG, you are making a site with 20 queries...]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:58:02 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:58:02 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:58:02 -0400 Apr 14, 2008 Siamak Sarmady 1 Re: "Java is losing the battle for the modern web"... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016

Show us the URL please. 4000 concurrent users visit so COMPLICATED web app with 100 million page views per month on single 8 core server? Unless you don't put firewall in front of your server and connect your server to your...]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:56:50 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:56:50 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:56:50 -0400 Apr 14, 2008 Siamak Sarmady 0 Re: Java is Simple, so is JSP. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 Outstanding post.

In the Java Web/Enterprise world, there is the instinctive habit to over-engineer, over "domain-driven-design", over OOP, over framework, over "n-tier", things, to the nth degree.

All this, when they could...]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:32:17 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:32:17 -0400 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:32:17 -0400 Apr 14, 2008 Jyothish John 1 Re: "Java is losing the battle for the modern web"... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=49016 5- For me it took 3 years until I was able to do web development using Struts, Hibernate etc. (I was chief C++ developer in a Unix/Netware software firm for years) .
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