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        <title>give zk a try</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[The thing about ZK is that you dont have to do any RPC interfacing. It is event driven programming on the server. It has an optional syntax for binding the screen controls to any of your java objects. It has optional declarative looping and over your...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:17:43 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:17:43 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 31, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Simon Massey</jf:author>
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        <title>no you dont need any proprietry tool to work with ZK</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I have been coding with ZK on three different commerical projects since Q3 2006. You don't need any commercial tool or plugin to work efficiently with the framework. It is just xml and an API that the eclipse editor can work with out of the box. I like...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:05:22 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:05:22 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 31, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Simon Massey</jf:author>
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        <title>ZK &amp;#38; Flex</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I'm fairly new to both ZK and Flex.  That said, I'm writing most of my logic in Java, and only a minimal amount in the XML markup.  Regarding some of the comments about GWT (of which I know almost nothing), I'm also using ZK with Flex, thereby getting...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:14:47 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 8, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Richard Youngkin</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: So, the issue is client vs server-centric?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[GWT compiles Java code(a subset really, String,List, that sort of thing) into Javascipt. That code runs only on the client. To access the back-end, you use an RPC created by Google that is, in essence, and asynchronous call to a servlet. That RPC service...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:57:56 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:57:56 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 7, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>David McCoy</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: So, the issue is client vs server-centric?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Thanks....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:07:46 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 7, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>benvieux</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: GWT, ZK and FUD?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[+1 ZK

No additional comments]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:43:07 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:43:07 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Marcos de Sousa</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Markup vs API</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>However, you can do things with GWT that is not possible with server-side frameworks like ZK. I use GWT heavily for pages that need precise control over the DOM to do things like animation, DOM manipulation etc which can only be...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:57:10 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:57:10 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Samyem Tuladhar</jf:author>
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        <title>Another alternative</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I use GWT heavily for pages that need precise control over the DOM to do things like animation, DOM manipulation etc which can only be replaced by Javascript. </blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:53:33 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>jmarranz</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Markup vs API</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>However, you can do things with GWT that is not possible with server-side frameworks like ZK. I use GWT heavily for pages that need precise control over the DOM to do things like animation, DOM manipulation etc which can only be replaced by...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:21:59 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>robbiecheng</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Markup vs API</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[With ZK, as others have said here, the markup is very much an optional feature. You can infact write entire project without any markup with ZK if you want (richlet and composer etc). ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:51:04 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:51:04 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Samyem Tuladhar</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>3</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re:  is plain Java</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[@QamarAlZaman Habeek, The link you gave me "ZK MVC Made Easy" I think this change the perspective, thanks for the tip. ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:55:10 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Otengi Miloskov</jf:author>
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        <title> is plain Java</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><br>The problem for me I see in ZK is the proprietary language it use and the scripting embedded in the view mixed with the xml and my Java code always is naked in a script file or maybe I don't get yet ZK how it works.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:41:25 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>QamarAlZaman Habeek</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: So, the issue is client vs server-centric?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Server centric as ZK is more secure and you don't need to maintain a RCP connection but sometimes it can be slow, Although I'm not sure about the Comet functionality how performer it is....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:50:19 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Otengi Miloskov</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>4</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Markup vs API</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Our design team won't agree this:) They are really good at markup languages, CSS and even JavaScript. However, they don't know much about Java.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:38:30 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>jole</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>4</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: GWT, ZK and FUD?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=50886</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I believe that the markup is its weakness. No other markup is as simple as HTML which, IMO, eliminates the "let the web gui person do the layout" argument.  ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:36:25 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>David McCoy</jf:author>
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