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        <title>Weblogic non-standard?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>That's daring. Tomcat != Weblogic, and it's safe to assume that you won't always see the same behavior between containers.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:00:55 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:00:55 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 13, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Leif Ashley</jf:author>
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        <title>2 cents...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[My initial statement, J2EE containers are hell. Period. They are a necessary evil for me to get work done. SUN messed this up from the start by defining web.xml etc for the application level, but nothing for configuration on the app server level. So...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:51:25 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:51:25 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 13, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Leif Ashley</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: weblogic numbers are pretty bad !</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>By the way, I'm working with Spring MVC and ... how complex it is!</blockquote>

Really?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:51:06 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:51:06 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 11, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>George Jiang</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Java EE Containers - Heaven or Hell?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Jar dependencies and version does not has to be managed by the EE Containers....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:15:32 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:15:32 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:15:32 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 9, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Nicolas Bousquet</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>neither</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[why does it have to be heaven or hell?...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:29:45 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:29:45 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:29:45 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Andrew Thompson</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Java EE Containers - Heaven or Hell?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Also, wanted to clarify that by JEE containers, I meant the full JEE container, like JBOSS, etc..., not Tomcat, which is just a web container.  I think full JEE containers are a thing of the past, or at least I hope they are and people are...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:20:20 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:20:20 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:20:20 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>augustientje bloem</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Add to Tomcat or trim from EE Container?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Good points. We do run our application with Tomcat + add-ons (ActiveMQ, hibernate, etc), or with a container like Weblogic or JBoss. It all depends on the customer's preference....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:24:06 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:24:06 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:24:06 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Paul Casal</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: weblogic numbers are pretty bad !</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Long time ago i never do development using weblogic. I develop on Jetty/Tomcat and deploy on weblogic, so all of those deployment numbers are just pointless to me. Thanks to spring for that.</blockquote><br><br>That's...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:10:06 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:10:06 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:10:06 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Eric Velazquez</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: weblogic numbers are pretty bad !</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Long time ago i never do development using weblogic. I develop on Jetty/Tomcat and deploy on weblogic, so all of those deployment numbers are just pointless to me. Thanks to spring for that.</blockquote><br><br>That's daring....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:25:04 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:25:04 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:25:04 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Thai Dang Vu</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>The Hibernate mess</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>TThen you are tasked to upgrade "Hibernate", but Hibernate has 'contributed' some 12 jars to your project. Which ones did I exactly add? Is other code already using these too? Do I have shared dependencies?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:13:26 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:13:26 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dean Schulze</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: weblogic numbers are pretty bad !</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Long time ago i never do development using weblogic. I develop on Jetty/Tomcat and deploy on weblogic, so all of those deployment numbers are just pointless to me. Thanks to spring for that.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:36:25 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:36:25 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ryan McDonough</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>4</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Market share surprise</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote> WebSphere is tagged as "IBM WebSphere 6.x" while plenty of other app servers have multiple versions in the tag. Note that WSAS 7.0 has been out for almost a year and the survey was made late this June.<br>I'll chalk it all up to the OP not...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:12:55 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:12:55 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:12:55 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Aa Aaaaff</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Mistake in third graph?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Was the mistake made in calculating data for chart 3 or are charts 1 and 2 incorrect?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:04:14 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:04:14 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Aa Aaaaff</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Market share surprise</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[What is a surprise is that WebLogic has a comfortable lead over WebSphere, contrary to the published market share surveys and Oracle merger doom &#38; gloom....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:26:22 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:26:22 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:26:22 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bostjan Dolenc</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Mistake in third graph?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=55119</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I found it funny that WebSphere has less time spend redeploying than WebLogic considering that it has longer redeploy time and same number of redeploys (all considering the charts from the original article). So I redid the numbers for chart 3 (Time spent...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:16:53 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:16:53 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:16:53 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 8, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bostjan Dolenc</jf:author>
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