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        <title>Thanks Gosling, but...</title>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:31:24 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <title>Rather than attempting to make this political</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[It could very well be that Gosling was uncomfortable with the philosophy and work ethos at Oracle. It is not unusual to have one company buy out another and the former employees of the previous company simply:<br/><br/>(a) Do not feel comfortable with...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:14:14 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <title>Marx and Lenin involved in the JCP?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[This message is not directly linked to JG's decisions or to the JCP but then, neither is mentioning "Marx and Lenin" within the original posting. If the latter is supposed to evoke cold-war-reminiscent feelings toward long-gone autocratic regimes, thus...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:53:55 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Dimitrios Souflis</jf:author>
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        <title>Oracle, Sun, JCP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Oracle's is success in selling the product...Purely commercial firm. but recognized by the market and shareholders!! &nbsp;Probabaly at Oracle, JCP doesn't have the same status as it had with Sun.... Gosling is not the first person leaving Sun...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:03:27 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 14, 2010</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Gopi Nathan</jf:author>
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        <title>James' Current Impact</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<BLOCKQUOTE>"No, James was more the face of Java these days, maybe even the way Bill is the face of Microsoft."<br/></BLOCKQUOTE><br/>When was the last time you saw Bill give a keynote at TechEd, PDC, or MIX? If you think Bill is the face of Microsoft,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:28:53 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Brian Barker</jf:author>
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        <title>Was the Java Community Process the Chink in James Gosling's Armor?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think it was 14 years ago I saw Gosling give a keynote about Java at OOPSLA (I think I still have a cassette tape of the presentation. BE jealous!). He certainly was the face of Java then, and I was&nbsp;persuaded to move from C++ programming to...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:31:36 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 13, 2010</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ron Weber</jf:author>
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        <title>well, that's depressing...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=59920</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[The obvious answer to the question is of course that democracy doesn't work - at least from an idealist's standpoint - hence we have presidents like Bush Junior and candidates like Sarah Palin here in the US :-). Hopefully that doesn't give away too much...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Reza Rahman</jf:author>
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        <title>Was the Java Community Process the Chink in James Gosling's Armor?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Cameron,<br/><br/>As someone working inside the JCP for a few years now, I doubt the JCP had anything to do with this. However, it is a good question worth asking - I suggest doing an interview with Gosling on the future of Java under...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Reza Rahman</jf:author>
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        <title>James' Current Impact</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Like a snowball doing down a hill, James packed the snow at the beginning and help push it down the hill, but nowadays, it's rolling on its own.<br/></blockquote><br/><br/>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:57:11 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Ruslan Zenin</jf:author>
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        <title>Maybe he just didn't like working for Oracle</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Nah... That couldn't be it ;-)]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:01:25 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 12, 2010</jf:date>
        <jf:author>John Reynolds</jf:author>
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        <title>James' Current Impact</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[No, James was more the face of Java these days, maybe even the way Bill is the face of Microsoft. Not a perfect comparison, but something like that.<div><br/></div><div>And Java has so much momentum of its own that no one person can change its direction,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:03:37 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 12, 2010</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Cameron McKenzie</jf:author>
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        <title>Thanks Gosling, but...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'm asking a simple question, not trying to bash Gosling, but...when's the last time he actually contributed something meaningful to the Java community?&nbsp; I guess I'm saying that I don't think Java will be hurt very much by his departure.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:53:48 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 12, 2010</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill Burke</jf:author>
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        <title>Yes.</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Sun should have either used a 'benevolent dictator' model which worked great for .NET and Python or they should have switched development to community.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:37:56 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 12, 2010</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alex Besogonov</jf:author>
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        <title>well, that's depressing...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[This is starting to sound like the argument I made in my Poli Sci classes a about why democracy could never work. :P<div><br/></div><div>Did Gosling ever prognosticate about what the better model was? If Sun doesn't let everyone else play, then they look...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Cameron McKenzie</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<P>The thing is JCP was goign towards too much democracy as in every tom dick n harry had an opinion and then others have to explain why good is good and bad is bad. so many discussions, some vendors have their own hidden agenda as they want to make a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:40:40 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 12, 2010</jf:date>
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