Support Forums: Message List - Should future versions of Java be backwards compatible? Devoxx says no http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sun, 19 May 2013 07:52:57 -0400 backwards incompatibility != bad news. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 Backwards compability made sense some years ago, when software costs were high and the platform had to be stable,  but I think now backwards incompatibility may be  good news to Java programers. 

]]> Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:45:48 -0500 Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:45:48 -0500 Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:45:48 -0500 Nov 24, 2010 Alberto Casais 0 An inconvenient truth http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 unfortunately there are lots of companies that are unable to move on to new versions of the JVM, and not because they do not want to, because some times the change involves a lot o money that no body is going to pay, or sometimes the system is...]]> Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:49:08 -0500 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:49:08 -0500 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:49:08 -0500 Nov 23, 2010 Victor Sanchez 0 led signs http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 WE live in an age of progress, still why shouldn't we be able to use old stuff with new software. Why do we have to get rid of everything when something new appears?

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That should read "oracle.com", obviously.

]]> Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:47:22 -0500 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:47:22 -0500 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:47:22 -0500 Nov 23, 2010 Ulf Dittmer 0 Should future versions of Java be backwards compatible? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 ...]]> Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:45:26 -0500 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:45:26 -0500 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:45:26 -0500 Nov 23, 2010 Ulf Dittmer 1 it shouldn't be a Boolean question of yes/no http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 backwards compatibilty has long been one of java's strong points, espcially in finanace and govermen sector which are slow to change, break them whould cause great havoc and woe.

...]]> Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:32:08 -0500 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:32:08 -0500 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:32:08 -0500 Nov 23, 2010 Elhanan Maayan 0 What are benefit we can get http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 The future version of Java have a great improvement on GC and performance, I believe the company will invest to upgrade existing Java application.

]]> Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:30:12 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:30:12 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:30:12 -0500 Nov 22, 2010 ejb ejb 1 Should future versions of Java be backwards compatible? Devoxx says no http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 I think backward compatibility should be removed in Java 8 or 9 onwards but with a fair degree to caution. I belive a good rule of thumb would be have the stuff available in the previous version that requires removal as deprecated in the present...]]> Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:09:30 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:09:30 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:09:30 -0500 Nov 22, 2010 Debashish Ghosh 2 Remove deprecated stuff after 1 major release upgrade http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 The JVM is full of stuff that is deprecated since Java 1.1. Really have no clue why you should even add deprecation if all deprecated methods stay.

...]]> Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:39:42 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:39:42 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:39:42 -0500 Nov 22, 2010 Kees van Dieren 0 Not an either/or! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 Keep in mind that this type of transformation could be done by the JVM itself, at runtime, so we don't have to break backwards compatibility in order to avoid being hobbled by it ..

...]]> Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:17:25 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:17:25 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:17:25 -0500 Nov 22, 2010 Cameron Purdy 0 Serious queation: As long as older versions be made available... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 This is a very serious queation.  I worked in a government deparment where the deparment policies force all software development in Java be made with a Java compiler that is about 10 years old along with libraries that are 10 years...]]> Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:46:41 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:46:41 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:46:41 -0500 Nov 22, 2010 cp10000 0 backward compatibility, a must or a must not? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 I don't think backward compatibility is a great issue. If you can not upgrade your application, just use old Java. I completely agree, but there can be an issue: Old Libraries, which are not updated. That's the only problem, that must be fixed...]]> Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:27 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:27 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:57:27 -0500 Nov 22, 2010 Amir Pashazadeh 1 WTF! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 The next version of Java is already not-backward-compatible. It is called Android.

]]> Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:37:54 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:37:54 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:37:54 -0500 Nov 22, 2010 Olivier Rossel 0 Should future versions of Java be backwards compatible? Devoxx says no http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61333 An informal survey from Devoxx says Java 8 or 9 should NOT be backwards compatible. I agree; people shouldn't be using old stuff,...]]> Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:53:19 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:53:19 -0500 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:53:19 -0500 Nov 22, 2010 RMayhew 13