Support Forums: Message List - The Problems with Jigsaw - Deviating from the Modular Spirit of Java

Co warto wiedzieć

Fri, 05 Apr 2013 15:06:47 -0400

Nie od dzisiaj bez wątpienia o szkodliwości elektroniczne papierosy wypalania. Indywidua, jakie rzuciły nałóg tytoniowy, rozpamiętywają z kłopotem skończony ten proces....

hello

Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:48:09 -0400

I agree this deviates from the modulars golden age of hollywood actresses

complicated

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 05:10:07 -0400

for im still having a hard time with Jigsaw graphic designer holiday gifts

what should modules export / import

Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:03:35 -0400

The discussion is mainly about what exported / imported content is and should be. For OSGi, this is about packages and modules (even though the later are seen as a burden that is there for political reasons), whereas Jigsaw modules will export types...

Weak argument

Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:26:59 -0400

I don't see how we can meaningfully talk about O(n) being faster than O(1) in the abstract. No one is going to take it seriosly that some magic O(n) algorithm performs better for all n than any O(1) algorithm accomplishing the same thing.

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Re: I'm afraid - a very weak comment

Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:54:12 -0400

I beleve the issue is that the current java classpath model is not one where the current module (a jar or classpath root) exports packages. It still is just a collection of classes. There is no package index there, and in fact, a java.lang.Package...

Where is the response to this from Jigsaw team?

Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:07:52 -0400

Even better, details of the Jigsaw project on OpenJDK are here http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jigsaw/ and this page includes a link to the mailing list.

Where is the response to this from Jigsaw team?

Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:08:20 -0400

There's much more you can do than simply ask questions. You can get invovled with the JSRs in question and try to make sure the right things happen in a timely fashion.

Opportunity

Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:16:59 -0400

Perhaps the article series on TSS was the right answer to the problem :-). I do understand some of the ex-Sun engineers' propensity for NIH. Hopefully that subsides a bit with Oracle :-).

Re: I'm afraid - a very weak comment

Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:52:48 -0400

I am only arguing in this article for package dependencies as this was a very strong lesson we learned. I am not advocating an OSGi container inside the VM, I already would be overjoyed if we could get versioned packages out of the VM.

Re: I'm afraid - a very weak comment

Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:52:48 -0400

Can you explain? I've tried to represent them as truthfull as I can but I can always be mistaken of course.

Peter Kriens

Weak argument

Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:52:48 -0400

I do not think we need an OSGi container at the heart of the VM, problems there are not comparable to the problems in the application world. However, the core should be really small and a careful design would take into account how we build big...

Opportunity

Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:52:48 -0400

I fought to get into JSR 277, I was (am) in JSR 294 and I post regularly on the Jigsaw mailing list. But I feel I am standing in front of an oncoming train.

Peter Kriens

Aggregation and Composition wrong way

Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:52:46 -0400

You're right, egg on my face. Teaches me not to use new diagramming techniques.

I will try to fix it.

Where is the response to this from Jigsaw team?

Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:19:17 -0400

Peter Kriens in the article above has good points. I have never actually read about the details of Jigsaw, all I knew was that they are, finally, going to introduce a standarized module system into the Java core.

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