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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released (32 messages)
- Posted by: javier sabino
- Posted on: December 04 2002 09:21 EST
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- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Ray Harrison on December 04 2002 13:24 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Jason Boutwell on December 04 2002 14:41 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by jelmer kuperus on December 04 2002 03:11 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Jason McKerr on December 04 2002 03:47 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Sandeep Dath on December 04 2002 04:22 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Alex V on December 04 2002 07:53 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Richard Katz on December 05 2002 12:24 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Alex V on December 04 2002 07:53 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Sandeep Dath on December 04 2002 04:22 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Jason McKerr on December 04 2002 03:47 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Mileta Cekovic on December 05 2002 05:06 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by bekeffy zoltan on December 05 2002 05:58 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by jelmer kuperus on December 04 2002 03:11 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Michael Herrick on December 04 2002 21:24 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by The Nguyen on December 04 2002 09:45 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Jason Boutwell on December 04 2002 14:41 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by #dac on December 05 2002 09:07 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by George de la Torre on December 05 2002 11:31 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Arjuna Chala on December 05 2002 10:37 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Chris Barran on December 06 2002 06:07 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Pee Wee on December 06 2002 07:14 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Georges Georges on December 06 2002 08:12 EST
- JBuilder 8 SE supports CVS by Andrej Gabara on December 06 2002 11:46 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Georges Georges on December 06 2002 08:12 EST
- About JDevelopper... by Xavier Launay on December 11 2002 04:06 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Pee Wee on December 06 2002 07:14 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Chris Barran on December 06 2002 06:07 EST
- Eclipse by Jeremy Ferry on December 05 2002 11:31 EST
- JBuilder 9 coming soon? by Hoang Duong on December 05 2002 12:22 EST
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Jbuilder3 or 8? by Rikard Fredriksson on December 05 2002 03:21 EST
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Jbuilder3 or 8? by Nguyen Anh Tuan on December 05 2002 08:10 EST
- Jbuilder3 or 8? by Mark Lesk on December 05 2002 08:55 EST
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Jbuilder3 or 8? by Nguyen Anh Tuan on December 05 2002 08:10 EST
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Jbuilder3 or 8? by Rikard Fredriksson on December 05 2002 03:21 EST
- Eclipse by Vladimir Zelenko on December 10 2002 16:28 EST
- JBuilder 9 coming soon? by Hoang Duong on December 05 2002 12:22 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Paul Danckaert on December 05 2002 13:02 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Daniel Canelea on December 05 2002 15:22 EST
- Why waste money on an IDE by Jamie Schiner on December 06 2002 12:52 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Michael Teala on December 09 2002 14:23 EST
- JBuilder 8 story by Telos Smith on December 09 2002 19:59 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Tim Allison on December 12 2002 11:24 EST
- JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released by Rod Macpherson on February 09 2003 03:04 EST
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JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Ray Harrison
- Posted on: December 04 2002 13:24 EST
- in response to javier sabino
It looks nifty, though the price is somewhat obscene.
Cheers
Ray -
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- Posted by: Jason Boutwell
- Posted on: December 04 2002 14:41 EST
- in response to Ray Harrison
This post reminds me of a brilliant IDEA someone had recently for a reasonably priced, yet superb development environment for enterprise Java. Hmmm. I sure wish I could remember what that IDEA was.... That someone posted recently.... Not sure... But I know that it was an amazing IDEA... And really cheap too....
-- Jason -
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- Posted by: jelmer kuperus
- Posted on: December 04 2002 15:11 EST
- in response to Jason Boutwell
say that sound like the IDEAl ide -
JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Jason McKerr
- Posted on: December 04 2002 15:47 EST
- in response to jelmer kuperus
Wow you guys are so INTELLIJent.
-Jason -
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- Posted by: Sandeep Dath
- Posted on: December 04 2002 16:22 EST
- in response to Jason McKerr
Oh Punny Ones!
It would be good to know who's using what out there. In terms of actual numbers.
You know - TSS really needs the ability to do polls. Frequent ones at that.
Simple stuff would do - the ability to ask a question, provide a few options, restrict votes to one per login, total 'em up and crank out a summary.
Polls could be initiated by users, just like new articles, and would be vetted by TSS moderators.
This would let readers have concrete information that they could take to their managers while making a proposal for investing in J2EE technology.
Sandeep. -
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- Posted by: Alex V
- Posted on: December 04 2002 19:53 EST
- in response to Sandeep Dath
I suggest a bit more specific questions
currently used IDE
favorite IDE for J2SE
favorite "enterprise" IDE
AlexV. -
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- Posted by: Richard Katz
- Posted on: December 05 2002 00:24 EST
- in response to Alex V
Hi Alex,
I would go one step farther:
Favorite 3 features of favorite J2EE/Web service-enabled IDE.
Regards,
Rich Katz -
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- Posted by: Mileta Cekovic
- Posted on: December 05 2002 05:06 EST
- in response to Jason Boutwell
I agree that latest version of JBuilder 'steal' some of the features that IDEA has (refactoring, code formating), BUT the first versions of IDEA were looking very similar to the JBuilder in that time too.
IntelliJ is smaller company and had a priviledge to develop an IDE from stratch taking into account what other vendors have done. And they did it very, very well.
In my opinion IDEA has an edge over JBuilder in code editing, but overall JBuilder is better (taking into account web/ejb/db/ws/corba/rmi development). -
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- Posted by: bekeffy zoltan
- Posted on: December 05 2002 05:58 EST
- in response to Mileta Cekovic
I agree completely with the last reply,
the prize put aside,
JBuilder is a very great tool
and is better and better with each new version
under the pression from .Net and Oracle -
JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Michael Herrick
- Posted on: December 04 2002 21:24 EST
- in response to Ray Harrison
I agree, its a nice IDE, but come on ... it seems like they want at least $2K every 6 months. IDEA must be getting their attention by now. -
JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Download Released[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: The Nguyen
- Posted on: December 04 2002 21:45 EST
- in response to Michael Herrick
JBuilder 8 is great tools I ever see. Jbuilder 8 support many AppServers but I don't know why not JBoss?
I just release the JBoss Jbuilder6/7/8 OT at http:/sf.net/projects/jboss-opentool -
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- Posted by: #dac
- Posted on: December 05 2002 09:07 EST
- in response to javier sabino
OK but what about the fact that Borland is now the owner of TogetherSoft? Is JBuilder 8 the merged successor of JBuilder 7 plus TogetherControlCenter 6 or this will happen in who knows what/when version ?
My 0.02$ please ? -
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- Posted by: George de la Torre
- Posted on: December 05 2002 11:31 EST
- in response to #dac
The JBuilder 8 Enterprise Studio package still has Rational Rose as the designer. It will take some time to intergrate JBuilder with TogetherControlCenter because of some overlap features.
TogetherControlCenter is a neat package, but bloated, with Borland's help hopefully it will get better. -
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- Posted by: Arjuna Chala
- Posted on: December 05 2002 10:37 EST
- in response to javier sabino
Nice but expensive. Also, IntelliJ and JDeveloper are catching up with features and have a better(a lot) pricing strategy. -
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- Posted by: Chris Barran
- Posted on: December 06 2002 06:07 EST
- in response to Arjuna Chala
I have used Jbuilder 6 and 7 primarily to develop JSP applications and in particular struts. I have found it very difficult to work with JBuilder to develop this sort of application. I was on the point of giving up and using a text editor when I looked at JDeveloper 903. The support for Struts in this product is excellent, it will be interesting to see how JBuilder 8 compares against this. I know this is quite a narrow use and not a comparrison of all the features between the two IDEs.
I also get confused by JBuilders management of source files. It seems I have to go to great lengths to get JBuilder to put JSPs in subdirectories but I'm probably doing something wrong.
My other main gripe is with the CVS support. If you check the project into CVS Jbuilder alters the project file to remove all of the "working files" when the next developer checks out the app only the source for any packages are visible, no web apps or anything. Apparently Borland say this is a feature ! We have to resort to checking the project in with CVS manually. -
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- Posted by: Pee Wee
- Posted on: December 06 2002 07:14 EST
- in response to Chris Barran
I'm a consultant and is currently working for a big department. All developers here use JBuilder for developing EJB's and "regular" Java applications.
I fancy ANT and Xdoclet so currently I'm using JBuilder 7 Enterprise as the worlds most expensive (3000$) editor... :-)
Weasel -
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- Posted by: Georges Georges
- Posted on: December 06 2002 08:12 EST
- in response to Pee Wee
it is a great but expensive product
my question is why i must by the enterprise version to get cvs support -
JBuilder 8 SE supports CVS[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Andrej Gabara
- Posted on: December 06 2002 11:46 EST
- in response to Georges Georges
http://www.borland.com/jbuilder/pdf/jb8_feamatrix.pdf
Looks like the standard edition provides support for CVS
as well. -
About JDevelopper...[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Xavier Launay
- Posted on: December 11 2002 04:06 EST
- in response to Chris Barran
I didn't use JDevelopper 9.0.3 but 9.0.2 recently for a few monthes.
Maybe version 9.0.3 is spectacular, but I found the support of CVS and struts catastrophic in 9.0.2 !
Any editing action of a JSP requires a lot the CPU, even while you're just moving the cursor inside a comment zone !!!
Just for comparison, on the SAME machine, I had worked earlier with WSAD (IBM version of Eclipse, with Websphere integrated) :
the real time JSP compilation requires less time than any editing action inside JDev!! -
Eclipse[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Jeremy Ferry
- Posted on: December 05 2002 11:31 EST
- in response to javier sabino
I use JBuilder and I do like it but the price is crazy. I'm going to at least skip a version or 2. I've been playing with Eclipse lately and I think I like the perspectives and the emphasis on refactoring. I'm sure it will take a little time for the Eclipse plug-in market to mature but I was just wondering if anyone else is using it? How does it stack up? -
JBuilder 9 coming soon?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Hoang Duong
- Posted on: December 05 2002 12:22 EST
- in response to Jeremy Ferry
I can feel JBuilder 9 should be comming out very soon - J2EE 1.4. More money to spend. -
Jbuilder3 or 8?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Rikard Fredriksson
- Posted on: December 05 2002 15:21 EST
- in response to Hoang Duong
Ive been using jbuilder 3,4,5,6,7 and have switched back to jbuilder3(!) now. Im not very happy when the gui "freeze" all the times. Actually I have a powerful computer, but it doesnt help. Jbuilder7 are also using a lot more memory than 3:( Jbuilder 3 works were well and is fast, but of course there no support for ejbs ant stuff like that. Borland MUST speed up the gui now! Its sounds crazy to switch back, but im happier now..
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- Posted by: Nguyen Anh Tuan
- Posted on: December 05 2002 20:10 EST
- in response to Rikard Fredriksson
[quote]
Ive been using jbuilder 3,4,5,6,7 and have switched back to jbuilder3(!) now. Im not very happy when the gui "freeze" all the times. Actually I have a powerful computer, but it doesnt help. Jbuilder7 are also using a lot more memory than 3:( Jbuilder 3 works were well and is fast, but of course there no support for ejbs ant stuff like that. Borland MUST speed up the gui now! Its sounds crazy to switch back, but im happier now..
/Rikard
[/quote]
I think you can try JBuilder 8, maybe you can get happy with speeding up the GUI. :) -
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- Posted by: Mark Lesk
- Posted on: December 05 2002 20:55 EST
- in response to Nguyen Anh Tuan
JBuilder is a great ide, but with a lot of features that only serve the purpose of filling up the marketing data sheet. Once you use the product the core features it provides are top notch. Yes, the licensing the past two years has gotten crazy with updgrades every 4 months - not cheap. I understand that they are going to offer maintenance agreements - 20% of license cost a year gives you all the updates. That is just a conversation I overheard, nothing firm.
When and if JBuilder can ever fully integrate the best features of Together/J with the best features of JBuilder, well that would be a sweet tool - but probably around 10K ... yikes.
Currently I have a copy of Together 6.0 and a copy of JBuilder 4.2 and the IDE that I use every day a copy of Eclipse 2.1M3 using JDK 1.4.
Eclipse gives all the key features that a developer needs with great support for refactoring, an excellent editor, good project management, top notch integration with CVS, highly configurable, optional continuous incremental build (always know where any problems are), highly effective soft checking as you type to highlight syntax errors ... I can not say enough about this tool ... saves me a measurable amount of time each day over JBuilder ... and it is free.
Check it out : http://www.eclipse.org ... you will not be disappointed.
-m -
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- Posted by: Vladimir Zelenko
- Posted on: December 10 2002 16:28 EST
- in response to Jeremy Ferry
Eclipse is one of the greatest IDE's out there, and no other free IDE matches to it in ease of use, power, and beauty at once.
I am a JBuilder convert.
The only drawback is absence of GUI builder tools (but frankly, who needs them?). -
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- Posted by: Paul Danckaert
- Posted on: December 05 2002 13:02 EST
- in response to javier sabino
One comment on the price.. your project costs are not dominated by your IDE costs, but by the people using them. If you are a small development shop the tools may be hard to purchase, but if the IDE can save the developers time in coding, debugging, and testing, it may well pay for itself. If your people are billing $100/hour, it doesn't take too many hours over a 6 month project to make up the cost difference.
I'm not saying that JBuilder can do that any better than IDEA, Jdeveloper, etc.. but if it meets your needs effectively for a project, the cost is probably less of an issue. That would imply, however, that your developers will be more productive and will save time with JBuilder when compared to another cheaper or free product.
(That said, I am a fan of IDEA, but primarily from a speed and functionality perspective. Nice product!) -
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- Posted by: Daniel Canelea
- Posted on: December 05 2002 15:22 EST
- in response to Paul Danckaert
<quote>
If your people are billing $100/hour, it doesn't take too many hours over a 6 month project to make up the cost difference.
</quote>
100$/hour ? Come on ! Go have a look at the latest salary surveys ... half that maybe true .
Also , everybody seems to love spending money on IDEs ... how about Eclipse ? There are some nice plug-ins out there for J2EE ... -
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- Posted by: Jamie Schiner
- Posted on: December 06 2002 12:52 EST
- in response to javier sabino
If you are in low in budget use Netbeans or JEdit or Eclipse
all of them are open source projects and work well for dev teams. I have used netbeans extensively for projects and it works better than JBuilder and IDEA.
download sites are
http://www.netbeans.org
http://www.eclipse.org
http://www.jedit.org
cheers -
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- Posted by: Michael Teala
- Posted on: December 09 2002 14:23 EST
- in response to javier sabino
Let me tell you the little story of the young ambitious programmer who wanted to get JBuilder, but JBuilder was very very expensive and his poor old sick mother couldn't help him. Faced with this, he had to sell 1/2 liters of his blood every day to the Red Cross, to get the money. After six months he finaly had the cache. Weak and pale, he made his way to the shop and got his much desired JBuilder 5 Enterprise Edition Copy. Now, there was his chace. He would get his money back, become rich and famous and make old sick mama's life easier. The poor boy was glittering with joy.
Oh, but dispair! Oh tragedy, tragedy! Oh, misery! JBuilder needed more RAM, so he went back to selling blood. When he couldn't get up anymore to go to the Red Cross, his mother did and than, their old white cat. The cat died soon after. Finaly, they got the money for the 1Gb of RAM needed. Life seemed to get easier, for a while. He coded and coded ferociously, day and night, night and day. After 1 year, he finished his product, only to find out that java was unusable and every one else was using a great cheap tool called vs.net, and they didn't have to sell their blood, or their cat's blood for that matter. Deeply hurt, the young programmer commited suicide, cutting his rist with the JBuilder cd. They sold the 1Gb of RAM and provided for his funeral.
DON'T be the youg programmer! -
JBuilder 8 story[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Telos Smith
- Posted on: December 09 2002 19:59 EST
- in response to Michael Teala
Michal Teala, you seem to make a big confusion. I know the same story, but Forte4j plays the principal role. -
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- Posted by: Tim Allison
- Posted on: December 12 2002 11:24 EST
- in response to Michael Teala
vs.net cheap and demands less of your machine than JBuilder? Surely, Michael Teala, your young programmer was truly foolish.
I have the enterprise edition of vs.net and the professional version of JBuilder 6 on my laptop, which has a measly 256M and a 1G processor. (We won't discuss that fact that XP Pro leaves me less than 100M free.) Neither one runs fast. Yes, JBuilder requires more RAM, but vs.net is no slouch either. Sadly, I will have to sell my blood for more disk space, because the .net uses all of it.
And, neither one was cheap. I didn't spend the money for either one, but my MSDN subscription, through which I got the IDE, must have cost in excess of $1500. As far as I can tell, JBuilder sets their prices based on Microsoft's.
Finally, your young programmer was incredibly foolish to sell his blood. Plasma brings in more bucks, and there is funeral to pay for. -
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- Posted by: Rod Macpherson
- Posted on: February 09 2003 03:04 EST
- in response to javier sabino
I would like to see some of you detail what advantage you are getting from JBuilder over Eclipse or IDEA. I suggest you are getting a LOT LESS with JBuilder at an astronomical price. JBuilder is a mature code editor, little more. Most of the "enterprise" features are badly designed or so buggy they are useless. That has been my personal experience as a long time user of JBuilder projects. I like the editor, the rest of it you can keep. Eclipse with IDEA and JBoss as the application server are the ticket to high productivity with best-of-breed tools.