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JRockit's Liquid VM could be the first real Java OS (14 messages)
- Posted by: Joseph Ottinger
- Posted on: December 11 2006 08:14 EST
BEA has announced a significant portion of their direction in 2007, including a push for virtualization support. This will come in the form of a JRockit Liquid VM, which can serve as an operating system image in something like VMWare, rather than requiring a supporting host OS. In addition, BEA announced that they expect WebLogic 10, with Java EE support, out at around the same time. The virtualization support is aimed at data centers, where a large concern centers around space, power consumption, and cooling. There's been a concentrated shift in many environments to use virtualization - where many virtual instances run on a single CPU instance - to increase the use of that single CPU, instead of leaving multiple CPUs underused. Virtualization isn't just as simple as starting up four instances of VMWare on a single backplane, though. If the average CPU usage is 20% for each of those four, then obviously moving them into a single CPU means (roughly) 80% CPU usage, assuming the host OS takes up no CPU time itself. However, this means there's not much room for the applications to manage load; if one of those applications has a lot of load to handle, then the other hosted machines will endure resource starvation. JRockit Liquid VM enters the picture by reducing the supporting instances' requirements for an OS. Liquid VM runs as if it were an OD in and of itself, so there's no need for VMWare to run Windows in order to run JRockit; instead, the VMWare instance would run JRockit directly. In addition, Liquid VM supports monitoring applications such that the managing application can deploy other virtual instances to other physical CPUs in order to support the datacenter's needs optimally. Liquid VM is designed so that developers can create an application or SOA service point with a "normal VM," on a standard development platform, and then move that application to a virtual server without having to worry about the differences in platform. The Virtualization platform will contain WebLogic 9.2 and the JRockit Liquid VM. Initial platform support is aimed at VMWare. Another aspect to BEA's announcement is that WebLogic 10 should be ready for release. It's already available as a preview, but it hasn't been certified as being Java EE compliant yet. The release will accompany changes in WebLogic Workshop to cater to the specific capabilities of WebLogic 10.Threaded Messages (14)
- Re: JRockit's Liquid VM could be the first real Java OS by James Imber on December 11 2006 10:10 EST
- How does it tie in with data center infrastructure? by Tilo Christ on December 11 2006 10:41 EST
- Re: JRockit's Liquid VM could be the first real Java OS by Cameron Purdy on December 11 2006 15:04 EST
- It's Been Done by Scott Warren on December 11 2006 16:52 EST
- It's Been Done by Scott Warren on December 11 2006 16:59 EST
- How about the WebLogic 10? by Victor Jan on December 11 2006 23:03 EST
- If google can't find it, does it exist? by Geert Pante on December 12 2006 04:11 EST
- Re: JRockit's Liquid VM could be the first real Java OS by Reg Whitton on December 12 2006 06:01 EST
- Re: JRockit's Liquid VM could be the first real Java OS by Sal Magnone on December 12 2006 12:43 EST
- Re: JRockit's Liquid VM could be the first real Java OS by Deepak Batra on December 13 2006 07:46 EST
- Belgravia Villas by Bryan Low on April 16 2013 04:23 EDT
- Ecopolitan by Bryan Low on May 01 2013 04:20 EDT
- Good thoughts and well-written by Bryan Low on May 19 2013 07:08 EDT
- bugis condo by Bryan Low on June 11 2013 22:20 EDT
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Re: JRockit's Liquid VM could be the first real Java OS[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: James Imber
- Posted on: December 11 2006 10:10 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
It would be nice if they support Amazon EC2, which is based on Xen. -
How does it tie in with data center infrastructure?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Tilo Christ
- Posted on: December 11 2006 10:41 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
The data centers that I have used so far all had some kind of infrastructur for backup, monitoring and uptime support (HP OpenView, CA UniCenter, homegrown shell scripts). How would a Liquid VM server tie into those? Is the Liquid VM really all proprietary, or is it just a hidden RedHat Linux with a VM running on top of it? I would actually find that better, because of the tool support. -
Re: JRockit's Liquid VM could be the first real Java OS[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Cameron Purdy
- Posted on: December 11 2006 15:04 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
Awesome! We've known that this was coming for a couple years now, and it looks like it's finally in a state that BEA can talk about it publicly. This is a huge step down the road to full virtualization of the data center, at least from the POV of Java. Peace, Cameron Purdy Tangosol Coherence: The Java Data Grid -
It's Been Done[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Scott Warren
- Posted on: December 11 2006 16:52 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
About a year ago I found this http://jamvm.sourceforge.net/ looks like someone has already started. I can't say how good/bad it is but I had a play with it back then and it seemed good. Scott -
It's Been Done[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Scott Warren
- Posted on: December 11 2006 16:59 EST
- in response to Scott Warren
Sorry Wrong URL http://jnode.org/ Scott -
How about the WebLogic 10?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Victor Jan
- Posted on: December 11 2006 23:03 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
Now, the WebLogic 9.x with a lot of bugs, I wonder whether they have fixed all of them or not. The WebLogic 9.x is really bad product and hope the 10 is a stable version. -
If google can't find it, does it exist?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Geert Pante
- Posted on: December 12 2006 04:11 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
http://www.google.com/search?q=JRockit+Liquid+VM Could you provide me with an URL to find some more details? It sounds mighty interesting. Greets. -
Re: JRockit's Liquid VM could be the first real Java OS[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Reg Whitton
- Posted on: December 12 2006 06:01 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
Could it be the first real Java OS? Leaving aside the jnode project linked to above, I would have thought the answer is still - No. Surely this is the removal of the OS from the scenario, a JVM running directly on virtual hardware. However, I assume we could remove the 'virtual' and run the JVM directly on real hardware. This would set the possibilities whirling. Could we then use a JVM like this to create a real Java OS, with process control and intercommunication? -
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- Posted by: Sal Magnone
- Posted on: December 12 2006 12:43 EST
- in response to Reg Whitton
It would be fast for sure, but then I'm sure I wouldn't want the next rev of the JVM release that I'm using stalling on hardware centric issues. I could be convinced, but right now that dividing line between the virtual OS and the application VM sounds like good complexity and dependacy management. Sal Magnone Chief Engineer LAB09 LLC. -
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- Posted by: Deepak Batra
- Posted on: December 13 2006 07:46 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
This is going to be great, only one thing to tune and manage. Peace, Deepak Batra Arcturus AutoPilot WL: Get Predictable BEA WebLogic -
Belgravia Villas[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Bryan Low
- Posted on: April 16 2013 04:23 EDT
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
Belgravia Villas is a new and upcoming cluster housing located in the Ang Mo Kio area, nested right in the Ang Mo Kio landed area. It is within a short drive to Little India, Orchard and city area. With expected completion in mid 2016, it comprises of 118 units in total with 100 units of terrace and 18 units of Semi-D. Ang Mo Kio Cluster House -
Ecopolitan[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Bryan Low
- Posted on: May 01 2013 04:20 EDT
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
Ecopolitan EC is a 99-years leasehold Punggol EC development located at Punggol Walk in District 19. With expected completion in mid 2016, it comprises of TBA towers with TBA units and stands TBA storeys tall. It is situated right beside Punggol MRT Station. Future residents will be able to access the nearby Compass Point and Rivervale Mall which is a short drive away for some family fun and gatherings. A truly unique lifestyle awaits you. Punggol EC -
Good thoughts and well-written[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Bryan Low
- Posted on: May 19 2013 07:08 EDT
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
J Gateway is a new and upcoming condominium located in Boon Lay Way, Jurong East area. It is located right beside JCube, and the upcoming Westgate and Jem. With expected completion in mid 2016, it comprises of 4 towers with 783 units and stands 38 storeys tall. Jurong Gateway -
bugis condo[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Bryan Low
- Posted on: June 11 2013 22:20 EDT
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
DUO Residences is also near to Bugis Junction as well as the buzzling city area. Entertainment for your loved ones and friends is therefore at your fingertips with the full condo facilities as well as the amenities in Bugis.