Alachisoft has released NCache 3.1, a distributed object cache for for .NET and Java applications with near real-time data access needs. NCache is designed to reduce expensive database trips by caching data close to your application. NCache provides full native support for Java applications through a native socket level protocol that is common between .NET and Java platforms. NCache does not use any .NET to Java interoperability bridge that can cause performance degradation. As a result, both .NET and Java applications see the same high performance from NCache. You can store any serializable Java object in NCache and retrieve them from the same cache from .NET applications. Some of the features of NCache are;

• Dynamic clustering with replicated and partitioned cache topologies
• Relationship management with key, file, and custom dependencies
• Automatically synchronize cache with DBMS
• Event notifications in the cluster

You can learn more about NCache from their website.

Hey, looks like a copy of coherence. Why would anyone use NCache when there's already Coherence which has advanced features like cluster affinity along with all the other features? peter

NCache stands on its own merit with extremely high performance and powerful dynamic clustering capability including "location affinity" and much more. I would invite everybody to download a 60-day trial from http://www.alachisoft.com/rp.php?dest=/download.html and judge for themselves. I wish all our competitors well. And, as a policy, we only discuss NCache and not its competition. That is better judged by customers themselves. Peace, Iqbal

Hmm. What policy are we talking about? You can do your pitch to your own customers, but we have an open community here and want to hear how exactly you better then your competitors, including several open source alternatives.

Hmm. What policy are we talking about? You can do your pitch to your own customers, but we have an open community here and want to hear how exactly you better then your competitors, including several open source alternatives.

Eugene, I agree with you that people need to comment and compare NCache with all commerical and open source alternatives. I meant to say that we "Alachisoft" do not comment on any competitors as a policy and instead let our customers make up their own minds. I'd be happy to answer any questions you or others have about NCache though. Peace, Iqbal

Fine, is Cameron correct, did you copy Coherence?

Fine, is Cameron correct, did you copy Coherence?

Simon, We're a California based company and could not possibally be so foolish as to violate any copyrights of others. NCache was developed as its own product and continues to be so with many features that no other caching product has. There are a number of features that are common (in concept but not implementation) among all caching products. Our focus so far had been only .NET but we have now also released a version supporting Java. I would again encourage people to download NCache and see for themselves. My last comment on this topic. Peace, Iqbal Khan 231 Market Place, Suite 522 San Ramon, CA 94583 Phone: 925-236-2125

Kudos for not wanting to sling mud at your competitors. However, it is natural for people to want to compare your product to similar products, especially when they are more familiar with the similar product in question (Coherence.) It seems you are putting the burden on them in this case. It's like you're telling them "please go and convince yourself that our product is better than some other product you are already familiar with." That's not much of a sales pitch. If instead you pointed out the features that make your product unique and whatever competitive advantages it might have, then that would probably do a lot more to encourage people to try it for themselves to see if you are right and if your advantages are compelling. But telling people to figure out why your product is good themselves seems like an uphill battle.

If instead you pointed out the features that make your product unique and whatever competitive advantages it might have, then that would probably do a lot more to encourage people to try it for themselves to see if you are right and if your advantages are compelling.

Michael, Thanks for your comment. I understand your point. Space was limited so I mentioned a few features in the original news posting and was hoping that people would find out more details from the link included. Here is more detail about NCache: http://www.alachisoft.com/rp.php?dest=/ncache/index.html Iqbal

If instead you pointed out the features that make your product unique and whatever competitive advantages it might have, then that would probably do a lot more to encourage people to try it for themselves to see if you are right and if your advantages are compelling.

Michael, Thanks for your comment. I understand your point. Space was limited so I mentioned a few features in the original news posting and was hoping that people would find out more details from the link included. Here is more detail about NCache: http://www.alachisoft.com/rp.php?dest=/ncache/index.html Iqbal

I don't know about others, but when I first noticed NCache on tss.net I noticed their docs were stolen from tangosol. This was sometime last year. Out of curiousity, I asked Cameron if he had heard of them. Luckily for alachisoft, cameron is a gentleman. The last time I checked, stealing copyrighted material is a crime in the USA. Alachisoft should come clean and admit they've stolen material from Tangosol. Given that alachisoft has shown no sense of ethics, morality or honesty, I would never consider buying a license from them. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, which tells me Alachisoft can't be trusted. my blunt 2 bits peter

this is the most shocking thread on TSS I have seen

Check the archives, you might see it happening after some other releases of NCache :-)

Well, to be honest, I see the similarities in the archived documents, but there are a few differences. The pictures were redrawn (then removed), some names altered, probably some text was also changed. As I don't know what percentage of textual matching is required by law to consider some text a derivative work of some other text, I would not dare to say that a judge would say it is such. But even if it is not literally copied then altered, the text does use the very same concepts and mindframe as the original Tangosol documentation, the figures are clearly just a redraw of the originals in the Tangosol documentation. This really makes me question the real independence of the development and documentation of NCache, and the intentions of the documentation writer. As for buying NCache from Alachisoft, you can also consider the question, would you want to buy a product, which is not covered and barely mentioned at all at any of the links from the product creator's own webpage? The only coverage on NCache was a mention of it in a short bio of Mr. Khan in a DevX article about their other product. Also, although the partners section hinted on leading partners, not one of them is identified. Also offering co-marketing opportunities for partners does not really fit my image of a technology company. Just my 2 cents.

But even if it is not literally copied then altered, the text does use the very same concepts and mindframe as the original Tangosol documentation, the figures are clearly just a redraw of the originals in the Tangosol documentation. This really makes me question the real independence of the development and documentation of NCache, and the intentions of the documentation writer.

Forgot to mention the short timespan of supposed development. I don't think that one and a half year from the initial release also spent with continuous new development is enough to build as robust a product as they claim it is (so that it can compete with Coherence) and shake all bugs out as well. Note: I don't claim anything... I just write down some of my thoughts...

But even if it is not literally copied then altered, the text does use the very same concepts and mindframe as the original Tangosol documentation, the figures are clearly just a redraw of the originals in the Tangosol documentation. This really makes me question the real independence of the development and documentation of NCache, and the intentions of the documentation writer.

Forgot to mention the short timespan of supposed development. I don't think that one and a half year from the initial release also spent with continuous new development is enough to build as robust a product as they claim it is (so that it can compete with Coherence) and shake all bugs out as well. Note: I don't claim anything... I just write down some of my thoughts...

Even if it is legally hard to prove they stole from Tangosol, it sure smells rotten. On a side note, plagerism in college is grounds for expulsion when it is intentional. Yet, in the business world, many companies feel it is better to plunder the works of others and claim it is their own. I really doubt Alachisoft will come clean and admit they've stolen from tangosol. peter

But even if it is not literally copied then altered, the text does use the very same concepts and mindframe as the original Tangosol documentation, the figures are clearly just a redraw of the originals in the Tangosol documentation. This really makes me question the real independence of the development and documentation of NCache, and the intentions of the documentation writer.

Forgot to mention the short timespan of supposed development. I don't think that one and a half year from the initial release also spent with continuous new development is enough to build as robust a product as they claim it is (so that it can compete with Coherence) and shake all bugs out as well.

Note: I don't claim anything... I just write down some of my thoughts...

Even if it is legally hard to prove they stole from Tangosol, it sure smells rotten. On a side note, plagerism in college is grounds for expulsion when it is intentional. Yet, in the business world, many companies feel it is better to plunder the works of others and claim it is their own. I really doubt Alachisoft will come clean and admit they've stolen from tangosol.

peter

Yes plagiarism is also a repulsive thing to do, but since that does not primarily consider the product, but the marketing material, or documentation, it does not necessarily tell anything of the product. Only hints... :-( BR, Robert

Yes plagiarism is also a repulsive thing to do, but since that does not primarily consider the product, but the marketing material, or documentation, it does not necessarily tell anything of the product. Only hints... :-(

That wanted to be "does not primarily concern the product, but the marketing material or documentation... (since that was what we see to have been plagiarized)".

We're a California based company ..

Yes, you have an office in California that you repeatedly downloaded our software from. We also have the IP addresses of your off-shore developers who did the same.

.. and could not possibally be so foolish as to violate any copyrights of others.

You're statement is directly contradicted by the Internet archive: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.alachisoft.com/ncache/cluster_topology.html I'll leave it up to the reader to decide what kind of company "alachisoft" is, but (for example) that entire document was copied verbatim from Tangosol, and the original had a clear copyright notice on it. Peace, Cameron Purdy Tangosol Coherence: Clustered Caching for Java

We're a California based company and could not possibally be so foolish as to violate any copyrights of others. NCache was developed as its own product and continues to be so with many features that no other caching product has. There are a number of features that are common (in concept but not implementation) among all caching products.

Our focus so far had been only .NET but we have now also released a version supporting Java. I would again encourage people to download NCache and see for themselves.

My last comment on this topic.

Peace,

Iqbal Khan
231 Market Place, Suite 522
San Ramon, CA 94583
Phone: 925-236-2125

Good lord, son! You forgot to include this here: contact info as well:

Alachisoft 231 Market Place, Suite 522 (see us on the map) San Ramon, CA 94583, USA United States (800) 253 8195 EC +44 207 993 8327 Intl: +1 925 236 3830 Fax +1 925 886 2417

Is that thar little blue flag with yelluh starz an Ecuador flag? Why such a blatant rip of Tangosol's software and docs, son? You ain't got no majinashun of yer own? This is down right disturbin! You Wascal, Iqbal, you! PS: Now fess up son, your CA address is just tuh make all them thar rich 'Merican companies feel more 'secure' 'bout yer little outfit, isn't it?

Is that thar little blue flag with yelluh starz an Ecuador flag? Why such a blatant rip of Tangosol's software and docs, son? You ain't got no majinashun of yer own? This is down right disturbin!

You Wascal, Iqbal, you!

PS: Now fess up son, your CA address is just tuh make all them thar rich 'Merican companies feel more 'secure' 'bout yer little outfit, isn't it?

Sorry, bit off topic, but that flag is the European Community (hence the EC) flag. That's a UK phone number. London to be specific. Actually, they've written the area code wrong - it should be +44 20 7993 8327. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0207_%26_0208 ). But hey.

Iqbal :

We're a California based company and could not possibally be so foolish as to violate any copyrights of others. NCache was developed as its own product and continues to be so with many features that no other caching product has. There are a number of features that are common (in concept but not implementation) among all caching products.

Our focus so far had been only .NET but we have now also released a version supporting Java. I would again encourage people to download NCache and see for themselves.

My last comment on this topic.

Peace,

Iqbal Khan
231 Market Place, Suite 522
San Ramon, CA 94583
Phone: 925-236-2125

I appears that not only can you get NCache from this California based company, but you can buy packing materials, make photo copies, and ship worldwide! http://www.theupsstore.com/locations/locdet.asp?strCenterNum=MBE0766 Location: 231 MARKET PL SAN RAMON, CA 94583-4743 Phone: (925) 275-9590 Fax: (925) 275-9695 E-mail The UPS Store #0766 Additional Information: MARKET PLACE SHOPPING CENTER Regular Hours of Operation: Monday 9:00am-6:00pm Tuesday 9:00am-6:00pm Wednesday 9:00am-6:00pm Thursday 9:00am-6:00pm Friday 9:00am-6:00pm Saturday 10:00am-2:00pm

... you be the judge!

I appears that not only can you get NCache from this California based company, but you can buy packing materials, make photo copies, and ship worldwide!

Our physical address is: Alachisoft 2400 Camino Ramon, Suite 165 San Ramon, CA 94583 Our office is located in Bishop Ranch business park (http://www.bishopranch.com) in the heart of San Ramon. The "231 Market Pl..." is our legal mailing address. Peace, Iqbal

Hey, looks like a copy of coherence.

When "Alachisoft Ncache" was released, it claimed to have an identical list of features to Tangosol Coherence, which is hardly surprising considering how often they had downloaded Coherence. Even more coincidentally, "Alachisoft Ncache" had documentation that was identical to Coherence. Identical. As in: They copied our copyrighted materials and presented them as their own, with only the company name (Tangosol) and product name (Coherence) changed. You can draw your own conclusions as to what kind of company they are. Peace, Cameron Purdy Tangosol Coherence: The Java Data Grid

They copied our copyrighted materials and presented them as their own, with only the company name (Tangosol) and product name (Coherence) changed.

You can draw your own conclusions as to what kind of company they are.

Is that a Chinese company ;-) [because of the identical repro] or why didn't you sue them? -- Andreas

Hey, looks like a copy of coherence.

When "Alachisoft Ncache" was released, it claimed to have an identical list of features to Tangosol Coherence, which is hardly surprising considering how often they had downloaded Coherence.

Even more coincidentally, "Alachisoft Ncache" had documentation that was identical to Coherence. Identical. As in: They copied our copyrighted materials and presented them as their own, with only the company name (Tangosol) and product name (Coherence) changed.

You can draw your own conclusions as to what kind of company they are.

Peace,

Cameron Purdy
Tangosol Coherence: The Java Data Grid

Well, if "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" then you should be really, really, ... [a few hours later] , really, really flattered.

As in: They copied our copyrighted materials and presented them as their own

Figures. Infact, I am not whether...

Peace, Iqbal

...is subtlely comical, or alarmingly scary.

As in: They copied our copyrighted materials and presented them as their own

Figures.

Infact, I am not whether...

Peace,

Iqbal

...is subtlely comical, or alarmingly scary.

evil twin? ;)

This seems rather unidirectionally written. And what about the other way round? Putting .NET objects into NCache and getting them in Java?

NCache allows .NET applications to store objects in the cache and retrieve them. And, Java applications can store Java objects in the same cache and retrieve them. Java applications cannot retrieve and interpret .NET objects and vice versa. This was an editorial mistake by TSS.COM when they modified our news posting. Sorry for the confusion. Iqbal

Mariuolo !!!

This is interesting. Alachisoft 2400 Camino Ramon, Suite 165 San Ramon, CA 94583 Any takers that this is something other than an office which is locked, dark, with a laser printed office sign taped to a door containing nothing other than an answering machine?

After reading all these replies about NCache being a copy of Coherence, there is this: Peace, Iqbal Now that is ballsy!