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        <title>LIght and Fluffy, but interesting.  Here's the real criticisms</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Jonathan,...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Nick,...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote"><div class="jive-quote">What am I comparing j2ee with? I'm comparing it with Java</div></div>...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[Ray,...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">However, I see J2EE critics falling into two main camps:</div>...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">With all due respect, J2EE is more than a web technology (ala PHP, ColdFusion).</div>...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote"><div class="jive-quote">A: To all previous programming experinence that many had.</div></div>...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[This is an excellent discussion. I am glad I found this site....]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote"><div class="jive-quote">I vote it is, massively, over complex</div></div>...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[well said jonathan]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">&quot;I still believe that J2EE is the last best hope for </div>...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[Well said, Nick. Well said.
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<br>Ryan]]></description>
        

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        <title>COM+ isn't dead yet</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[It's a bit of a simplification to say that &quot;.NET replaces COM+&quot;.  It's probably more accurate to say that the .NET solution for COM+ is not available.  COM+ is still the mechanism for handling server side XA style transactions.  .NET has helped...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[Howdy All,...]]></description>
        

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