Support Forums: Message List - TMC Introduces SOA Blueprints; Public Review Open http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sun, 26 May 2013 04:42:34 -0400 re: You can't define blueprints if you don't know the definition http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976 Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:48:59 -0400 Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:48:59 -0400 Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:48:59 -0400 Jun 25, 2004 Branko Koprivica 0 Granularity Process http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976 Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:22:07 -0400 Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:22:07 -0400 Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:22:07 -0400 Jun 18, 2004 Matt Segvich 0 re: You can't define blueprints if you don't know the definition http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:42:02 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:42:02 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:42:02 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 traceroute 1 re: You can't define blueprints if you don't know the definition http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976
In otherwords, your methodology seems to be, find all projects that use the term SOA, collect their patterns and then...]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:26:39 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:26:39 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:26:39 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 Carlos Perez 2 re: You can't define blueprints if you don't know the definition http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976 Hi (Dave or John?),Sorry, my ISP was out and I was using a friend's machine.
Did you just implicitly agree that there are no decent definitions of SOA?
I don't know if I'd agree that there are no...]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:43:38 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:43:38 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:43:38 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 traceroute 3 You can't define blueprints if you don't know the definition http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976
Did you just implicitly agree that there are no decent definitions of SOA?

You seem to imply that gathering a set of use cases of "SOA" helps you build a "SOA" based application. Well unfortunately,...]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:31:33 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:31:33 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:31:33 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 Carlos Perez 4 Topics and queues: in what sense? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976 This is a good point. Would you suggest possibly replacing "TOPIC" with "async pub/sub mechanism" and "QUEUE" with "async point-to-point mechanism"?This would be a nice syntactic move, but...]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:25:04 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:25:04 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:25:04 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 Jacques Talbot 0 You can't define blueprints if you don't know the definition http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976       
      I agree with many of your comments however I think this approach makes sense. Typically one will come up with use cases prior to designing a system and that's...]]> Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:04:24 -0400 Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:04:24 -0400 Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:04:24 -0400 Jun 4, 2004 Dave Ehrington 5 You can't define blueprints if you don't know the definition http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976
You can't claim to know how to put together a set of blueprints for SOA if you don't even know what SOA means!

SOA = Service Oriented Architecture not Same Old Architecture which incidentally...]]> Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:00:33 -0400 Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:00:33 -0400 Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:00:33 -0400 Jun 4, 2004 Carlos Perez 6 Topics and queues: in what sense? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976 Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:31:16 -0400 Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:31:16 -0400 Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:31:16 -0400 Jun 3, 2004 traceroute 1 Topics and queues: in what sense? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976
You use the notions of TOPIC or QUEUE or ... to describe processes interacting. However, there is no such thing defined in the current WS-* specs.

So what is the...]]> Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:12:51 -0400 Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:12:51 -0400 Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:12:51 -0400 Jun 3, 2004 Jacques Talbot 2 Jini is cross platform because Java is! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976
This is a pretty amazing comment. I think it really indicates how much of Jini and Java some people are really missing. Java and Jini are in fact targeted at creating the ability to work across mulitple OS...]]> Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:39:55 -0400 Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:39:55 -0400 Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:39:55 -0400 Jun 2, 2004 Gregg Wonderly 0 Where's the best practice? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976
Thanks for your comments. One of the major things we are trying to achieve with this exercise is bound within the issues you are raising. There are currently no best-practices for SOA. There needs to be something understandable and...]]> Tue, 25 May 2004 02:54:34 -0400 Tue, 25 May 2004 02:54:34 -0400 Tue, 25 May 2004 02:54:34 -0400 May 25, 2004 Steve Wilkes 0 usage of term "component", section 3.3.2 ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976 Business Services and Workflow Services (Figure 3).

Now, I'd like to further qualify the term "Services" in "Component Services",
as...]]> Tue, 25 May 2004 02:38:04 -0400 Tue, 25 May 2004 02:38:04 -0400 Tue, 25 May 2004 02:38:04 -0400 May 25, 2004 Matthias Weidmann 1 Where's the best practice? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25976
I downloaded and read this expecting to learn how all the parts of an SOA interacted, much like the j2ee blueprints showed off how the platform...]]> Tue, 25 May 2004 02:29:34 -0400 Tue, 25 May 2004 02:29:34 -0400 Tue, 25 May 2004 02:29:34 -0400 May 25, 2004 denis krizanovic 1