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        <title>Missing some of the point</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26043</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I think this is a really good blog, but the examples about storing business rules in the database generating a lot of server requests sort of misses the point. <br><br>Rules like this should be enforced at the user interface level because they make it...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2004 08:34:26 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dan Dubinsky</jf:author>
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        <title>I see</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I guess my interpretation of AOP was that it created vertical layers.  Maybe not.  Although the vertical layer you talked about is sor t of what I had envisioned.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2004 09:13:54 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michael Rasmussen</jf:author>
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        <title>A good argument against dumb VOs/DTOs</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26043</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The humble DTO.It's always irritated the heck out of me the insistence that we be as un-object-orientated as possible and keep all logic out of these objects. Most arguments against it assume that it's an all or nothing propositions - All...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2004 05:55:25 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Calum Shaw-Mackay</jf:author>
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        <title>Sounds like an Anti-Pattern to Me</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[When I read Deutche's fallacies:<br><a href="http://today.java.net/jag/Fallacies.html" target="_blank">http://today.java.net/jag/Fallacies.html</a><br>&nbsp;<br>They appear to fall into a different category than what Ted is throwing out there.  Ted's...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2004 03:54:51 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Daniel Selman</jf:author>
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        <title>A good argument against dumb VOs/DTOs</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26043</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[It's one of those quixotic crusades of mine, I firmly believe that all non-layer specific logic can and should be encoded in a way that is applicable across all the layers.<br><br>What exists on almost all the layers? The humble DTO.<br><br>It's always...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2004 03:38:52 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Robert Boothby</jf:author>
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        <title>AOP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I don't fully understand AOP, but after reading the articles I think that this is a perfect example of the use of AOP.  Doesn't it allow you to centralize your business logic in on &quot;place&quot; while still using it across multiple tiers?...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2004 01:40:22 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>surajeet dev</jf:author>
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        <title>AOP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I don't fully understand AOP, but after reading the articles I think that this is a perfect example of the use of AOP.  Doesn't it allow you to centralize your business logic in on &quot;place&quot; while still using it across multiple tiers?...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2004 01:12:08 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>surajeet dev</jf:author>
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        <title>The 11th Fallacy of Enterprise Computing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26043</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Always the problem really: you ideally need to check your business rules (things like field value constraints) at each tier because you can't/shouldn't/didn't rely on the tier above to check those constraints... but in order to prevent unnecessary...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2004 20:20:36 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 20, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Nathan Lee</jf:author>
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        <title>AOP</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I don't fully understand AOP, but after reading the articles I think that this is a perfect example of the use of AOP.  Doesn't it allow you to centralize your business logic in on &quot;place&quot; while still using it across multiple tiers?  Like the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2004 12:24:00 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 20, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michael Rasmussen</jf:author>
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        <title>The 11th Fallacy of Enterprise Computing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26043</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Ted Neward has added to the &quot;The Eight Fallacies of Distributed Computing&quot; originally created by Peter Deutsch (and extended by James Gosling) to add two more in his <i>Effective Enterprise Java</i> book. Over the weekend he came up with the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2004 10:05:35 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 20, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dion Almaer</jf:author>
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