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The underlying message that Dave is suggesting is that you don't have to be a 'test-first'...]]> Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:48:50 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:48:50 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:48:50 -0500 Dec 9, 2005 Javid Jamae 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245
You can do TDD even if you've done Big Design Up Front. Remember, Test-Driven Design is, among other things, a way of focusing on how a client programmer would use the code, thus providing the test writer...]]> Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:01:46 -0400 Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:01:46 -0400 Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:01:46 -0400 Jun 1, 2004 Michael Murphree 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245 If the test first process of always running a broken test before implemention was followed these tests would never have failed, and the mistake in the test would have been identified.This is one of the most common oversights I've...]]> Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:06:07 -0400 Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:06:07 -0400 Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:06:07 -0400 Jun 1, 2004 Henry Rollins 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245 There is no up-front design in TDD, it emerges as you write the test.Rather, there is no Big Design Up Front. There still should be upfront design, just not to excess.]]> Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:00:53 -0400 Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:00:53 -0400 Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:00:53 -0400 Jun 1, 2004 Henry Rollins 1 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245 In test diven development (TDD) it is the writing of the test that drives the design of the system. There is no up-front design in TDD, it emerges as you write the test.Put another way, in TDD, the design is expressed as a set of...]]> Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:26:48 -0400 Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:26:48 -0400 Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:26:48 -0400 Jun 1, 2004 Robert Stine 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245
 1.Write automated tests for the codes we write.
 2.Use these tests as the operational specifications of the codes.
 3.Write tests...]]> Mon, 31 May 2004 01:20:32 -0400 Mon, 31 May 2004 01:20:32 -0400 Mon, 31 May 2004 01:20:32 -0400 May 31, 2004 Kei Sugimoto 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245
Recently I've been reviewing some code written with TDD in mind, but where the test first approach had not been taken. I picked up on a few tests that had incorrect assertions and...]]> Mon, 31 May 2004 00:24:08 -0400 Mon, 31 May 2004 00:24:08 -0400 Mon, 31 May 2004 00:24:08 -0400 May 31, 2004 Darren Cotterill 1 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245 ...does the test drive the design, or does the design drive the test.Answer: the design drives the test, but the test is essential.In test diven development (TDD) it is the writing of the test that drives the design of the...]]> Sun, 30 May 2004 09:47:14 -0400 Sun, 30 May 2004 09:47:14 -0400 Sun, 30 May 2004 09:47:14 -0400 May 30, 2004 aslakhellesoy 3 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245
Answer: the design drives the test, but the test is essential.]]> Sun, 30 May 2004 00:31:57 -0400 Sun, 30 May 2004 00:31:57 -0400 Sun, 30 May 2004 00:31:57 -0400 May 30, 2004 TOM WATERHOUSE 4 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245 Sat, 29 May 2004 09:36:58 -0400 Sat, 29 May 2004 09:36:58 -0400 Sat, 29 May 2004 09:36:58 -0400 May 29, 2004 Reid Carlberg 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245 The problem with unit testing is that you only test for what you can predict and your tests will fail you horribly for the unforeseen problem. This is the second time that I've heard you say this. Just because test miss...]]> Fri, 28 May 2004 20:21:31 -0400 Fri, 28 May 2004 20:21:31 -0400 Fri, 28 May 2004 20:21:31 -0400 May 28, 2004 COBBIE BEHREND 1 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245 Fri, 28 May 2004 18:30:36 -0400 Fri, 28 May 2004 18:30:36 -0400 Fri, 28 May 2004 18:30:36 -0400 May 28, 2004 tom tarb 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245
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Well, TDD is important to me to clarify and consolidate my design decisions. If I can't figure out a design or implementation strategy the tests...]]> Fri, 28 May 2004 17:54:08 -0400 Fri, 28 May 2004 17:54:08 -0400 Fri, 28 May 2004 17:54:08 -0400 May 28, 2004 Rafael Forte 1 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26245 Fri, 28 May 2004 16:00:29 -0400 Fri, 28 May 2004 16:00:29 -0400 Fri, 28 May 2004 16:00:29 -0400 May 28, 2004 Brennan Stehling 3