Support Forums: Message List - IBM and Microsoft respond to Websphere vs. .NET Study http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:05:52 -0400 Reply to Microsoft's reply http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653 Personally, I am looking to work with .NET in my next project, probably in a non-government setting, while retaining long term career on the Java side.
I am currently doing more .Net than Java. The plethora of Java APIs...]]> Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:51:02 -0500 Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:51:02 -0500 Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:51:02 -0500 Nov 8, 2004 Mark N 0 Hmmm http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653 Cameron,Your response is not even worthy a reply.
Greg, your ability to perceive the obvious truth of the situation or hide it from yourself is your own personal battle.

Peace,

Cameron Purdy
 Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:25:20 -0500 Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:25:20 -0500 Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:25:20 -0500 Nov 6, 2004 Cameron Purdy 0 Hmmm http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653
Your response is not even worthy a reply.

Cheers,

Greg]]> Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:51:34 -0500 Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:51:34 -0500 Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:51:34 -0500 Nov 5, 2004 Greg Leake 1 Reply to Microsoft's reply http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653
Source control was used in the RRD version, but not the WSAD version.
IBM even seems to back away from RRD in their response by saying they would never advocate...]]> Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:33:27 -0500 Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:33:27 -0500 Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:33:27 -0500 Nov 5, 2004 George Jiang 1 competition? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653 Everyone has their preferences; that's fine. But the study was not rigged, and I am sure many customers are objective enough to download the code, examine the results, and do their own technical comparisons. In the end, the competition...]]> Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:00:40 -0500 Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:00:40 -0500 Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:00:40 -0500 Nov 5, 2004 Cameron Purdy 2 no comparable skill and experience? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653 Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:39:33 -0500 Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:39:33 -0500 Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:39:33 -0500 Nov 5, 2004 Rolf Tollerud 0 Reply http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653 ...But the study was not rigged, and I am sure many customers are objective enough to download the code, examine the results, and do their own technical comparisons. In the end, the competition benefits both sides; I think most would agree...]]> Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:48:49 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:48:49 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:48:49 -0500 Nov 4, 2004 Star Trooper 1 Reply http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:27:37 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:27:37 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:27:37 -0500 Nov 4, 2004 Greg Leake 7 You would be....wrong, how? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653
Who will use RRD for serious development on the first place?]]> Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:09:19 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:09:19 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:09:19 -0500 Nov 4, 2004 George Jiang 8 You would be....wrong http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653 Sorry,They did have experience not only with J2EE but also with Websphere. Take a look at the replies posted by David Herst, Stephen Wilkes and Will Edwards on this thread...its very evident they are smart, focussed, experienced developers....]]> Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:55:44 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:55:44 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:55:44 -0500 Nov 4, 2004 Star Trooper 0 overused quotes http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653
Can't you answer the following : ?
Peter: "I've been working in the financial sector in boston and guess what? a large percent of the jobs are in this area do need it for the most complex stuff"First...]]> Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:53:18 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:53:18 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:53:18 -0500 Nov 4, 2004 Star Trooper 0 You would be....wrong http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653
They did have experience not only with J2EE but also with Websphere. Take a look at the replies posted by David Herst, Stephen Wilkes and Will Edwards on this thread...its very evident they are smart, focussed, experienced developers. And...]]> Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:59:20 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:59:20 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:59:20 -0500 Nov 4, 2004 Greg Leake 10 IBM Pricing, Use of Websphere Express, and other information http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653
Even the application development skill and J2EE skill of the J2EE team in the study are questionable based on the following facts:

1. Did not use a source control such as CVS for serious software development.

2....]]> Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:24:25 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:24:25 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:24:25 -0500 Nov 4, 2004 George Jiang 11 no amount of reasoning or studies will help http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653
"I will not go to the conference because...]]> Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:20:58 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:20:58 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:20:58 -0500 Nov 4, 2004 Rolf Tollerud 0 IBM Pricing, Use of Websphere Express, and other information http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29653 (although its true the .NET developers had been using Visual Studio prior to introduction of .NET, but frankly, C# and .NET completely changed the nature of MS development in VS anyway), just was WAS changed the nature of IBM-platform...]]> Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:46:24 -0500 Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:46:24 -0500 Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:46:24 -0500 Nov 3, 2004 George Jiang 13