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6 months ago I was looking for any GUI drag and drop Struts tool
Like this? Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:19:34 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:19:34 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:19:34 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 damian frach 0 Why hibernate to jdo? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:51:16 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:51:16 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:51:16 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 Irakli Nadareishvili 0 Why hibernate to jdo? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 Steve, forgive me, but I don't see why other vendors would write a better abstraction layer for JDO and Hibernate, than what is in Spring.
You are missing the point. As I said, no matter how much you abstract - with or...]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:17:51 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:17:51 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:17:51 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 Steve Zara 1 Struts-JSF, Hibernate - JDO? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318
hm, with all due respect, don't you think, leaving only CSS and initia HTML to a programmer, may be kind of too extreme? Not that I am insisting it is, but just wondering.

You see, I totally share the respect to CSS and that it has...]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:47:39 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:47:39 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:47:39 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 Irakli Nadareishvili 0 Struts-JSF, Hibernate - JDO? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318
I agree that mixing designers and programmers within the same document is the wrong approach, my blog entry discusses this...]]> Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:40:56 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:40:56 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:40:56 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 hookomjj 1 Why hibernate to jdo? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:44:12 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:44:12 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:44:12 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 Grant Andres 0 Why hibernate to jdo? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318
In my mind,...]]> Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:27:27 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:27:27 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:27:27 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 Irakli Nadareishvili 2 Struts-JSF, Hibernate - JDO? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 I agree that mixing designers and programmers within the same document is the wrong approach, my blog entry discusses this point and how...]]> Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:10:45 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:10:45 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:10:45 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 Irakli Nadareishvili 2 Struts-JSF, Hibernate - JDO? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 Sounds like you want to create a presentation that has no knowledge about the data being presented. I'm just wondering how that is supposed to be accomplished. IMHO, the scenario you describe is a problem of the SW development process, rather...]]> Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:02:41 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:02:41 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:02:41 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 Irakli Nadareishvili 0 Why hibernate to jdo? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 Have you looked enough in Spring? It gives you a much more elegant way for mixing different DB-access approaches than what you will, probabely, get with the mentioned vendors.

I don't see how having interchangeable of...]]> Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:32:59 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:32:59 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:32:59 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 Steve Zara 3 Struts-JSF, Hibernate - JDO? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 Sounds like you want to create a presentation that has no knowledge about the data being presented. I'm just wondering how that is supposed to be accomplished. IMHO, the scenario you describe is a problem of the SW development process, rather...]]> Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:42:36 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:42:36 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:42:36 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 hookomjj 3 Struts-JSF, Hibernate - JDO? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 [...]
The thing is, IMHO, main thing about MVC is the _separation_ of UI layer from the model layer. But what does "separation" mean? Does it just mean - UI code is separate from the Model code? I strongly doubt it. What it...]]> Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:16:20 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:16:20 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:16:20 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 Dirk Ludwig 5 Struts-JSF, Hibernate - JDO? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 The only place I can imagine JSF being OK, is corporate intranet sites, where functionality matters way more than the design. That is so not applicable to Internet sites, though.
You should check out my Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:23:48 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:23:48 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:23:48 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 hookomjj 0 Why hibernate to jdo? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318 I choose JDO for what I do because (1) with JDO 2.0 it is a rich and full-featured JSR specification for POJO persistence and (2) there are many vendors providing competing implementations (as well as free versions). Even though Hibernate is...]]> Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:32:14 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:32:14 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:32:14 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 Irakli Nadareishvili 5 Struts-JSF, Hibernate - JDO? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32318
Now, why "worse"?

The thing is, IMHO, main thing about MVC is the _separation_ of UI layer from the model layer. But what...]]> Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:20:09 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:20:09 -0500 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:20:09 -0500 Mar 7, 2005 Irakli Nadareishvili 7