Support Forums: Message List - TSS Asks: Are standards a bad thing? http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sat, 18 May 2013 13:11:50 -0400 EJB http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654 Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:35:53 -0500 Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:35:53 -0500 Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:35:53 -0500 Dec 12, 2005 EJB lover 0 0 Standards are a bad thing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654 Standards:

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Provide integration lockin
I disagree with what you are saying in a lot of ways but the above is particularly queer.

What exactly is 'integration lockin'? One of the great benefits of...]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:28:59 -0500 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:28:59 -0500 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:28:59 -0500 Nov 29, 2005 James Watson 1 Standards are a bad thing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654 Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:07:04 -0500 Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:07:04 -0500 Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:07:04 -0500 Nov 28, 2005 U G 2 Standards Is a Good Thing When They Are Real Standards http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654
The problem with the Java community today is that too many smart guys that have no real meaningful job dream up standards in vacuum and force that upon the user community with...]]> Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:09:52 -0500 Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:09:52 -0500 Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:09:52 -0500 Nov 23, 2005 Hu Shih 0 Not at all http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654
As such, the proper way to view things is that standards, at least the good ones, are what...]]> Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:51:23 -0500 Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:51:23 -0500 Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:51:23 -0500 Nov 23, 2005 James Loverde 0 TSS Asks: Are standards a bad thing? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654 But where does EJB fit?I think there is general agreement that EJB fits the latter description and that EJB before 3.0 was pretty horrible.
Actually Session EJBs were based on lessons and patterns from other technologies such...]]> Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:41:11 -0500 Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:41:11 -0500 Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:41:11 -0500 Nov 22, 2005 William Childers 0 Java better since JCP got stronger http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654 Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:44:29 -0500 Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:44:29 -0500 Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:44:29 -0500 Nov 22, 2005 Carlo Marchiori 0 TSS Asks: Are standards a bad thing? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654
Just think about your everyday life before posting such silly things : your are relying on standards in every move you make !
You computer is nothing but an assy of standards.
Your house is built upon standards.
Your...]]> Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:36:00 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:36:00 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:36:00 -0500 Nov 21, 2005 Remi Vankeisbelck 0 TSS Asks: Are standards a bad thing? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654
Several people have contrasted TCP/IP and OSI, and concluded that standards based on experience...]]> Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:25:20 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:25:20 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:25:20 -0500 Nov 21, 2005 Tony Walker 1 Java standards are not (necessarily) standards http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654 If there is no organization to pick 'the one true spec.' as you call it, then you can easily end up with many technically equivalent specs and no clear reason to coose one over the other.
You also need 'the one true...]]> Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:45:05 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:45:05 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:45:05 -0500 Nov 21, 2005 Erik Engbrecht 0 Java standards are not (necessarily) standards http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654
That's an example of why letting the market decide isn't always a good idea. Look at the debacle between Blue-ray and HD-DVD. Very few consumers are going to purchase players for either standard until the vendors get that...]]> Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:22:01 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:22:01 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:22:01 -0500 Nov 21, 2005 James Watson 1 Standards are more useful for matured technologies http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654
It is insurance against a vendor changing support or licensing at any time in the future.
I prefer to solve this problem using open source software and I think standards are usefull for integration only. Most JCP...]]> Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:57:47 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:57:47 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:57:47 -0500 Nov 21, 2005 Steve Zara 0 Standards are more useful for matured technologies http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654 It is insurance against a vendor changing support or licensing at any time in the future.
I prefer to solve this problem using open source software and I think standards are usefull for integration only. Most JCP standards are...]]> Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:23:26 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:23:26 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:23:26 -0500 Nov 21, 2005 Juozas Baliuka 1 Standards are more useful for matured technologies http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654 It just an opinion based on my practice, it is not "the truth". If you are switching between different vendor's products and it is a typical evaluation process then standard makes sence.
This is not to do with...]]> Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:31:26 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:31:26 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:31:26 -0500 Nov 21, 2005 Steve Zara 2 Standards are more useful for matured technologies http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37654 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:33:40 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:33:40 -0500 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:33:40 -0500 Nov 21, 2005 Juozas Baliuka 3