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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Software is different from other fields of engineering. There are several reasons for this, but one of the main reasons is that aeronautical engineering is constrained by the laws of nature, whereas software is not. </blockquote>...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Erik Engbrecht</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Firstly, I would not hold up the space shuttle as an example of quality design (fitness for purpose?). </blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:51:59 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <title>Balancing Agility and Discipline</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40855</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[If you, like me, think software should be developed using a process or methodology tailored for the combination of risks, skills etc, you may find <a href="http://www.awprofessional.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0321186125&rl=1">Balancing Agility and...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:53:35 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 18, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rob Bunten</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Simplicity</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40855</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Hi Erik,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:09:02 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Paul Beckford</jf:author>
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        <title>Simplicity</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The point is that the space shuttle system would have required less software if the system design was simpler. Simplicity is an Agile principle which applies just as much to space craft as it does to software (or motor vehicle design) or any...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:18:55 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 18, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Erik Engbrecht</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=40855</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Hi,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:41:45 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Paul Beckford</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA["Well I think the space shuttle is a good example. Was the space shuttle the simplest thing that could possibly work? "...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:52:11 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 17, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dean Schulze</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Erik,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:48:58 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Paul Beckford</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>If you answer my question with a question we won't get anywhere.  If you think every part of an air traffic control system is life critical who dies when one of their servers goes down?  Who dies if the software to file flight plans goes...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:24:40 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 17, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Erik Engbrecht</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:26:33 -0400</pubDate>

        

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            <description><![CDATA[If you answer my question with a question we won't get anywhere.  If you think every part of an air traffic control system is life critical who dies when one of their servers goes down?  Who dies if the software to file flight plans goes down?...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:09:09 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jun 16, 2006</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dean Schulze</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>What software in an air traffic control system is life critical? There are always humans watching those screens. The screens themselves probably have some software in them, but there are always back up screens.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:39:32 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[What software in an air traffic control system is life critical?  There are always humans watching those screens.  The screens themselves probably have some software in them, but there are always back up screens....]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Dean Schulze</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>What hurts agile's credibility is claiming that agile somehow can be expected to produce results like a process that is the polar opposite of agile just because they share some practices.  You started your paragraph in which you mentioned the...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Alexandre Poitras</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Space Shuttle Software Team Process</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[What hurts agile's credibility is claiming that agile somehow can be expected to produce results like a process that is the polar opposite of agile just because they share some practices.  You started your paragraph in which you mentioned the shuttle...]]></description>
        

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