Support Forums: Message List - Podcast: 10 Things Java Should Steal from Ruby http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Tue, 21 May 2013 07:17:06 -0400 Funny Argument http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Info PR: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 04:09:34 -0400 Sun, 28 Aug 2011 04:09:34 -0400 Sun, 28 Aug 2011 04:09:34 -0400 Aug 28, 2011 coloradomarketing 0 Re: Listen to the podcast http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622
Well were shall I start:

1. Uniform abstractions (everything is an object, no primitives).
Mixins
16. ...

Shall I go on?...]]> Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:27:20 -0400 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:27:20 -0400 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:27:20 -0400 Aug 29, 2006 Michael O'Keefe 0 Re: Polymorphism, Type Systems and Objects http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 If I'm only scratching the surface of metaprogramming, Java is still in the stone ages....]]> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:28:04 -0400 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:28:04 -0400 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:28:04 -0400 Aug 12, 2006 Erik Engbrecht 0 reality ain't always easy http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:44:05 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:44:05 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:44:05 -0400 Aug 10, 2006 michael vaganek 0 Re: Java has stolen too much already... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Are you running the benchmark in the Strongtalk tutorial?

The loop is repeated 10 million times. This is then repeated 10 times with the best time highlighted....]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:59:58 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:59:58 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:59:58 -0400 Aug 10, 2006 Steve Zara 0 Re: Java has stolen too much already... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622
Try it yourselves!

Paul.


I have. My results are different.

I not only ran the same benchmark, I put it in a loop so I could make it run for longer. (when I tried to increase the run time by...]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:13:08 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:13:08 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:13:08 -0400 Aug 10, 2006 Paul Beckford 1 Re: Java has stolen too much already... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Try it yourselves!

Paul....]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:12:53 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:12:53 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:12:53 -0400 Aug 10, 2006 Steve Zara 2 Re: Java has stolen too much already... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Nope. Most developers have alot of trouble learning. Unfortunately. Most are barely functional at best. Sadly....]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:54:36 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:54:36 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:54:36 -0400 Aug 10, 2006 Paul Beckford 3 Re: Java has stolen too much already... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Hi Steve,

We get the development languages we deserve! The opportunity for mass take-up of Smalltalk was clearly there in the late 80s. It was largely rejected. Sun realised that and came up with a compromise that worked. I...]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:45:45 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:45:45 -0400 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:45:45 -0400 Aug 10, 2006 Mark N 4 Re: Java has stolen too much already... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:00:18 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:00:18 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:00:18 -0400 Aug 9, 2006 Paul Beckford 5 Re: Java has stolen too much already... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Hi Steve,



I've been playing with Strongtalk and boy it's depressing. Aside from the type system, the dynamic compiler is real fast. I've never seen anything like it. Also the code browser looks pretty much like a standard...]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:21:10 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:21:10 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:21:10 -0400 Aug 9, 2006 Steve Zara 6 Java has stolen too much already... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:40:11 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:40:11 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:40:11 -0400 Aug 9, 2006 Paul Beckford 7 Re: Polymorphism, Type Systems and Objects http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622
First, I'm starting to learn that dynamic languages with late binding offer a whole new level of metaprogramming.


I think that means you're only scratching the surface of metaprogramming.

I wrote an ORM...]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:21:58 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:21:58 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:21:58 -0400 Aug 9, 2006 Bruce Tate 1 Re: Polymorphism, Type Systems and Objects http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:50:47 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:50:47 -0400 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:50:47 -0400 Aug 9, 2006 Paul Beckford 0 Re: Polymorphism, Type Systems and Objects http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41622 Hmmm...is there a Wiki anywhere for, let's say, documenting requirements for an "ideal" programming language or suite of languages? These forums are interesting, but the threads slowly vanish into obscurity and it seems like no one...]]> Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:27:16 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:27:16 -0400 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:27:16 -0400 Aug 8, 2006 Steve Zara 0