Support Forums: Message List - Ruby on Rails experiences serious security breach http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 22 May 2013 02:47:42 -0400 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 That's the pitfall of languages that have many powerful features. Your main body of programmers never understand half of it, period. There are some people, who I think are smart enough to understand the power and wield it, but in their...]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:15:28 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:15:28 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:15:28 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Steve Zara 0 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 I am waiting for the "bitter ruby" series next. After that is written, I am going to try Ruby. Ok, it has to be called the "Flawed Ruby".]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:37:31 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:37:31 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:37:31 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Tero Vaananen 0 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 Thirdly, I worry a lot about the power of languages like Smalltalk and Ruby. Having been an on-and-off Smalltalk user for more than 20 years, I have seen the lack of restrictions of the language result in many unsupportable tangles of code....]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:35:27 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:35:27 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:35:27 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Tero Vaananen 2 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 This is why I mentioned wizards. I agree that the Smalltalk IDE is a great programming environment and IRB and the Ruby Debugger doesn't come close. But I don't see the Smalltalk development environment as a wizard or as an attempt to dumb...]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:19:42 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:19:42 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:19:42 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Steve Zara 0 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705
The fact that there is a steep learning curve to Ruby is because our education system leaves most programmers iliterate when it comes to computer science.


I'm finding quite the opposite. I can train a Java...]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:56:04 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:56:04 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:56:04 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Paul Beckford 0 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:32:09 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:32:09 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:32:09 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Paul Beckford 1 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 The fact that there is a steep learning curve to Ruby is because our education system leaves most programmers iliterate when it comes to computer science....]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:30:39 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:30:39 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:30:39 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Bruce Tate 1 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 What you say comes down to corporate culture and whether you value people over tools. All I'm suggesting is that in companies were they prefer to invest in their people rather than bang-whiz tools then expressive languages are...]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:40:32 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:40:32 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:40:32 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Steve Zara 2 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:50:30 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:50:30 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:50:30 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Paul Beckford 3 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 The other point I want to clarify is what I meant by "dumbed-down", I mean "wizard-programming". The idea that any one can do it. So for example when I was first shown EJB's, the idea was that you wrote a few lines of business logic (if .....]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:23:11 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:23:11 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:23:11 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Steve Zara 7 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:59:40 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:59:40 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:59:40 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Paul Beckford 8 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 This is the real rub. Most main stream programmers are pretty poor. The fact that there is a steep learning curve to Ruby is because our education system leaves most programmers iliterate when it comes to computer science....]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:08:16 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:08:16 -0400 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:08:16 -0400 Aug 13, 2006 Ilya Sterin 9 Ruby can't even win Python http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:41:00 -0400 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:41:00 -0400 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:41:00 -0400 Aug 12, 2006 Bruce Wong 0 Re: No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 The fact that there is a steep learning curve to Ruby is because our education system leaves most programmers iliterate when it comes to computer science....]]> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:20:03 -0400 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:20:03 -0400 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:20:03 -0400 Aug 12, 2006 Erik Engbrecht 0 No this isn't great news... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=41705 And to be so petty, so childish, so insecure in your own choices that you're happy that someone else's development environment has a major security hole is pathetic.

You've just relinquished all right to be upset if Java ever has a...]]> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:25:19 -0400 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:25:19 -0400 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:25:19 -0400 Aug 12, 2006 mschipperheyn 0