Support Forums: Message List - Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 22 May 2013 15:03:55 -0400 Its not methodology, its motivation and people http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:26:05 -0400 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:26:05 -0400 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:26:05 -0400 Oct 6, 2006 Jonathan Gibbons 0 Re: Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Well, a good start would be to show projects that have followed the Manifesto to the letter and succeeded. I guess you passed up on the numbers I posted above.]]> Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:54:19 -0400 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:54:19 -0400 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:54:19 -0400 Oct 4, 2006 Vincent Musolino 1 Re: Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 I feel very strongly that managers who don't also write code have no place managing people that do. That's just stupid. AFAIC, this is 19th century management.]]> Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:47:26 -0400 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:47:26 -0400 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:47:26 -0400 Oct 4, 2006 Vincent Musolino 0 Re: Another good article on agile http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423
Where's the point to point argument to demonstrate agile does not work?

That's an interesting angle. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the people who are trying to introduce something new?

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I feel very strongly that managers who don't also write code have no place managing people that do. That's just stupid.


I hope it is OK if I point out the recursive nature of the suggestion. We tried that here,...]]> Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:04:58 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:04:58 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:04:58 -0400 Oct 3, 2006 Roger Keays 0 Iterative & Incremental + Process Improvement http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:58:32 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:58:32 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:58:32 -0400 Oct 3, 2006 Ashley Aitken 0 Re: Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:12:16 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:12:16 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:12:16 -0400 Oct 3, 2006 Paul Beckford 0 Re: Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Agile (especially XP) does do a lot of telling. But if you are to learn, then you do need to suspend judgement for a while and listen. With time, and patience you could learn something!...]]> Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:11:33 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:11:33 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:11:33 -0400 Oct 3, 2006 Dave Rooney 1 Re: Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Dave,

Let's take the debate toward a more constructive direction.

Here is a simple scenario: imagine you are brought in as an Agile consultant in a company with a team of ten developers, and after you have explained what the...]]> Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:58:54 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:58:54 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:58:54 -0400 Oct 3, 2006 Luiz Esmiralha 0 Re: Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Not sure how many posts are from hapless developers who are trying to balance their professional and personal lives. The 'Agile' process seems to be a very sensible way to us who work 80 hours a week.

We really need a coach and short...]]> Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:25:08 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:25:08 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:25:08 -0400 Oct 3, 2006 Paul Beckford 2 Re: Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:02:34 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:02:34 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:02:34 -0400 Oct 3, 2006 MOHAN RADHAKRISHNAN 3 Re: Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:59:05 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:59:05 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:59:05 -0400 Oct 3, 2006 Paul Beckford 4 Post agile methodology http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:13:44 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:13:44 -0400 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:13:44 -0400 Oct 3, 2006 Jonathan Gibbons 0 Re: Doing Agile? Maybe so, maybe not. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:57:50 -0400 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:57:50 -0400 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:57:50 -0400 Oct 2, 2006 jkuhnert 0 Doing agile - consistency of implementations http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=42423
I think it is the implicit assumption that what works best for Kent Beck should work best for everyone else is what puts peoples backs up I think, and can come across as being...]]> Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:10:29 -0400 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:10:29 -0400 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:10:29 -0400 Oct 2, 2006 Michael Quinn 0