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            <description><![CDATA[Agreed.

The only reason JSF is not dead is because it is bundled with jee 5. When you compare JSF with newer webframework such as wicket or spring mvc 2.5, JSF looks like EJB 1.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:27:09 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 17, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Brandon India</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>As of comparison to EJB1, I cannot remember we had such healthy ecosystem with EJB (1, 2) as we now have with JSF.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 19:08:08 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>George Jiang</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The fact that you need Facelets to use HTML, Ajax4Jsf to use AJAX and Seam to make it usable is just brain-dead.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:36:36 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Dejan Krsmanovic</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Wow, we're all so hell bent on slamming the technology that we can't even have a rational discussion on the topic.<br><br>Would anyone really pay ANYTHING, let alone $9.95/yr for a subscription to what is essentially a Tutorial ?<br><br>I...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:22:36 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 9, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Richard Burton</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>At least face reality.  You may not like it, but JSF is far from a dead horse.  JSF has experienced dramatic take-up in the past year.  I realise that popularity is not a measure of quality, but it is certainly a measure of lack of...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 16:39:22 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 8, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Wille Faler</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Wow, we're all so hell bent on slamming the technology that we can't even have a rational discussion on the topic....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 14:22:27 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Preston Sheldon</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>You can enjoy JSF's extensibility, Java's portability, and the great choice of application servers.  In retrospect, how often did we need these?<br><br>Good luck.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 06:50:48 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Steve Zara</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Mark,  thanks for sharing your expertise/experience.  I am also keeping an eye on Web Start / Swing  and also on .NET's  WPF/E.   HTML based webapps seem to be reaching their limitations.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 01:04:32 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>vijay mippu</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Web Forms are working well for us.  What complicated functionality were you referring to that Web Forms can't do the job? ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 22:30:04 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Mark N</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Web Forms are working well for us.  What complicated functionality were you referring to that Web Forms can't do the job?  ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:51:53 -0400</pubDate>

        

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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>. However, there is no good presentation framework in Java space that is comparable to Web Forms in .NET</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:29:12 -0400</pubDate>

        

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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>You can enjoy JSF's extensibility, Java's portability, and the great choice of application servers.  In retrospect, how often did we need these?<br><br>Good luck.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 17:23:41 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>arjan tijms</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>It is thoroughly incomprehensible that vendors keep trying to flog the dead-horse that is JSF..</blockquote><br><br>At least face reality.  You may not like it, but JSF is far from a dead horse.  JSF has experienced dramatic...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>It is thoroughly incomprehensible that vendors keep trying to flog the dead-horse that is JSF..</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 13:30:32 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Steve Zara</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">You almost *NEED* vendor tools to work with it. It seemed to have designed FOR vendors.</div>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 09:35:21 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 7, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dejan Krsmanovic</jf:author>
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