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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I don't recall IBM making WSAD a free/OSS product...</blockquote>
It's funny how people here blaming IBM for not open-sourcing WSAD hardly suspect Eclipse was initially an IBM project.

Am I that old or what?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:22:37 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 19, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Serge Adzinets</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The real problem is: Sun still has issues understanding business.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:13:18 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 17, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dushyanth Inguva</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Apache already has a standing issue with Sun's use of the GPL, which restricts its use of products. Code licensed under the GPL, isn't "free" according to Apache, meaning that Apache allows its code to be embedded and reused by...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:53:24 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 16, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Geir Magnusson Jr</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Niall is perfectly right. ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:00:55 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 15, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Emmanuel Lecharny</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Apache already has a standing issue with Sun's use of the GPL, which restricts its use of products. Code licensed under the GPL, isn't "free" according to Apache, meaning that Apache allows its code to be embedded and reused by...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:52:54 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Niall Pemberton</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: More harm than good...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>I don't recall IBM making WSAD a free/OSS product...</blockquote><br><br>so eclipse is just my imagination?</blockquote><br><br>IBM WSAD and RAD are both pretty much piles of crap. It takes about a gig of ram to start...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:16:06 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>John Brand</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I wouldn't expect everything to go so smoothly. It is a shame. On the other hand, to put this into more context, there is an EU report from a couple of years back that quantifies (as best as it can) OS contributions from commercial companies....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:42:44 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Danny Thornton</jf:author>
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        <title>eclipse is open source, but not WSAD or RAD</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>I don't recall IBM making WSAD a free/OSS product...</blockquote><br><br>so eclipse is just my imagination?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:08:27 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>peter lin</jf:author>
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        <title>More harm than good...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>I don't recall IBM making WSAD a free/OSS product...</blockquote><br><br>so eclipse is just my imagination?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:08:18 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Leif Ashley</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>I don't recall IBM making WSAD a free/OSS product...</blockquote><br><br>so eclipse is just my imagination?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:37:07 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Emmanuel Lecharny</jf:author>
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        <title>More to this story?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I remember reading about this on The Register at the beginning of December, <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/01/sun_openid_spat" target="_newWindow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/01/sun_openid_spat</a>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:16:27 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Steph Meslin-Weber</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I believe WSAD comes with a lot of extra plugins which are not OSS.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:04:47 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jacek Furmankiewicz</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I don't recall IBM making WSAD a free/OSS product...</blockquote>

so eclipse is just my imagination?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:51:03 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Erik Bengtson</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>&gt;I don't recall IBM making WSAD a free/OSS product...</blockquote>
But would you actually want it if they did?  :) I haven't heard a single good report from local, large IBM shop...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:46:56 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jason Lee</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Sun still has issues with understanding Open Source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=47850</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Yeah, between Java, Netbeans, Solaris and pretty much everything else Sun does getting opensourced on dev.java.net I think they "get it" much more than others.

I don't recall IBM making WSAD a free/OSS product...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:06:28 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 14, 2007</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jacek Furmankiewicz</jf:author>
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