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        <title>pebkac?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Seriously: What's wrong with JSP? Of course we have all seen bloated, scriptlet-infested JSPs -- however when using JSP 2.0 with tag files, custom tags, and the XML syntax, JSP (in my opinion) is as clean and powerful as any other...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:54:23 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Steven Peh</jf:author>
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        <title>Room to grow</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I'm working on my third Grails based application and I also have a Groovy DSL under my belt. During these four separate efforts I have found Grails &#38; Groovy to be the embodiment of the idea that it is best to provide an entry level api with default...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:15:13 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Keith Thomas</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Groovy on the web the right way?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Sorry, but Java is a general purpose programming language whereas JSP, a rip off of ASP is a "technology" devised to support the presentation tier. As such JSP is poorly conceived and designed. Java as a programming language, especially one that claims...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:52:30 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 10, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>William Childers</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: GSP and Scaffolding are not the only options in Grails</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Here's the blackboard in my kitchen<br><br>   <br>     <br>   <br>   <br>     <br>   <br><br><br> I love learning new XML doc types.  I'm surprised the Rails guys don't use more XML.  It's so great.</blockquote><br><br>Are you...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:21:39 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 9, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alberto Mijares</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: GSP and Scaffolding are not the only options in Grails</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><br>I am more concerned about standards compliance in the view than I am with rich interfaces, so JSF is not my favourite because of the HTML + CSS that it generates.<br></blockquote><br><br>This isn't really a function of JSF,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:56:14 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 9, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alberto Mijares</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Groovy on the web the right way?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[We've seemed to have gone a bit off topic....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:22:32 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 8, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Paul Beckford</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Groovy on the web the right way?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>1. The error reporting is based on stack trace of the compiled jsp, which is a really horrible way for finding problems (compared to something like facelets for example).</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:44:02 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 7, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Will Hartung</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Groovy on the web the right way?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Let's rework this a little......]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:35:39 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 7, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Will Hartung</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Groovy on the web the right way?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Seriously: What's wrong with JSP?</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:33:53 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 7, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Henri Karapuu</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: GSP and Scaffolding are not the only options in Grails</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>This isn't really a function of JSF, it's an issue with default JSF RenderKit.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:22:56 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 7, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Henri Karapuu</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: JSP is fine</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Never got such an exception because there isnt't any kind of major logic in my jsp except for some el expression deciding what to render and what not against the values of flag variables put in the model....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:25:01 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 7, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Vania Cilli</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: GSP and Scaffolding are not the only options in Grails</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:58:13 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Kito Mann</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: GSP and Scaffolding are not the only options in Grails</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>"all the while thinking "damn, all I really want is decent MVC framework. I'd use JSP if it wasn't so broken."<br><br><br>I love programming in XML.  I actually use XML at home as well.<br>Here's the blackboard in my kitchen<br><br>   <br>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:48:33 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Matt Giacomini</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: JSP is fine</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Who said anything about it being bad because developers use it badly?  ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:50:15 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>jkuhnert</jf:author>
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        <title>JSP is fine</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=48625</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Seriously: What's wrong with JSP? Of course we have all seen bloated, scriptlet-infested JSPs -- however when using JSP 2.0 with tag files, custom tags, and the XML syntax, JSP (in my opinion) is as clean and powerful as any other templating...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:18:15 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Mar 6, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ethan Allen</jf:author>
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