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        <title>Java slow than C++</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=54590</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Anybody that has ever used a non-trivial Java program or has programmed in Java knows that Java is slower than native programs written in C++. This is a fact of life, something that we accept when we use Java....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:59:10 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Nov 6, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Casinator Bonus</jf:author>
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        <title>Back to basics</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Speed? What kind of application? A simple transaction to update a few database records or astronomical calculation or some maths calc like finding the value of PI using Gregory series and nn billion iterations? Obviously no one will use Java for...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 04:01:56 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 25, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Gopi Nathan</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: JMS (impl) too slow, xml too?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Your exemple of JMS is bad. We started using JMS... And it was infact far too slow.<br><br>We tried many implementations etc.<br><br>Then we went to simple TCP/IP (in java) and i was realy realy faster.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:15:14 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 20, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Tatu Saloranta</jf:author>
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        <title>Java is slow without any doubt</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Out of my experience, Java IS slow. Sometimes it is VERY slow. You may get acceptable performance, but the number of traps to work around will be higher than with other languages....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:40:17 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 19, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Andrey Gerasimenko</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: java is slow</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=54590</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I though that ALL Sun was sold to Oracle, not just Java]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:40:11 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 18, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Lautaro Brasseur</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Java is Slow! - A Cautionary Tale</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=54590</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>The problem with the concept of commodity developers, or as I term it: technical typing, is that the tools that chase this goal tend to limit what the developer can do. [..]</blockquote><br><br>I think software developers should...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:40:54 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 18, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>James Watson</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Java is Slow! - A Cautionary Tale</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=54590</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The problem with the concept of commodity developers, or as I term it: technical typing, is that the tools that chase this goal tend to limit what the developer can do. [..]</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:12:26 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 18, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Cameron Purdy</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Java is Slow! - A Cautionary Tale</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I may change my mind someday, but today, I don't fear the commodity aspect. As anyone who's been in the business a while knows, the technology is one aspect.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:41:46 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 18, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>James Watson</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Java is Slow! - A Cautionary Tale</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>I cannot agree with this at all. On the contrary, there is no other "industry", where constant education is as rewarded as in our industry.</blockquote><br><br>I can think of lots of industries.  Genomics, off the top of my head...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:42:30 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 18, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>David McCoy</jf:author>
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        <title>Well, wasn't java 1.0 kind of slow?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[1.0 and 1.1 was no match for compiled languages as I can remember. Nowadays I don't think there is any point in coding in C++ instead of java for performance. Many people still think Java is slow because it was slow in the early days. But things change...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:38:20 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 18, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alen Milkovic</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Java is Slow! - A Cautionary Tale</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote> I think what Cameron was referring to was real CS education.  And if I am right in that assessment, I have to agree to a good extent.  The software/IT industry is fad driven and chases after the mirage of tools that allow for commodity...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:30:12 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 18, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Karl Banke</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Java is Slow! - A Cautionary Tale</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=54590</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>It could be an experience thing but I see people rewarded for phony education.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 21:41:02 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 16, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Mark N</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Java is Slow! - A Cautionary Tale</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I cannot agree with this at all. On the contrary, there is no other "industry", where constant education is as rewarded as in our industry.</blockquote>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:49:43 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 16, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>James Watson</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Java is Slow! - A Cautionary Tale</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=54590</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>There are two things you can always count on in our industry:<br><br>* The surprising extent of ignorance, and the immunity it shows to education; and<br>* A strong correlation between the depth of ignorance and the vociferousness of the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:33:31 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 16, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Karl Banke</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Has this actually happened...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=54590</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I don't agree. I've worked with a number of successful Hibernate implementations that scaled extremely well. Hibernate, like any ORM software, relies on a fully normalized database. If the database is not normalized (such as too many...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:26:51 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 16, 2009</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Karl Banke</jf:author>
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