Support Forums: Message List - Spring Pitfalls: Transactional tests considered harmful http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Mon, 20 May 2013 18:32:54 -0400 Beginner Pitfalls? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 And I pretty sure you also notice that he never checks the state of its database (typically with a jdbcTemplate), but through its attached/detached entities.

]]> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:24:26 -0500 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:24:26 -0500 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:24:26 -0500 Dec 19, 2011 Richard GUITTER 0 Testability of Spring Applications is a Myth!!! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 ...]]> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:21:20 -0500 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:21:20 -0500 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:21:20 -0500 Dec 19, 2011 Richard GUITTER 0 Testability of Spring Applications is widely proven http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 ...]]> Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:22:17 -0500 Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:22:17 -0500 Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:22:17 -0500 Dec 11, 2011 Pavel Grushetzky 0 Beginner Pitfalls? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 From what I understand, the author was caught by surprise by a few things:

...]]> Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:51:04 -0500 Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:51:04 -0500 Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:51:04 -0500 Dec 11, 2011 Pavel Grushetzky 1 Testability of Spring Applications is a Myth! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 Uh ?

Why are you lying like this ? I've tested DAO dozen times with spring and an embedded DB. It is explain in the doc. Seriously, you need to learn more.

]]> Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:16:17 -0500 Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:16:17 -0500 Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:16:17 -0500 Dec 10, 2011 bugsan@gmail.com 0 HIBERNATE Pitfalls: Transactional tests considered harmful http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 It seems all your examples are either to do with quirks in Hibernate (and lords knows there are plenty of those...) or concurrency issues in multithreaded scenarios, which are unpredictable by default. What has any of this got to do with Spring?

]]> Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:49:50 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:49:50 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:49:50 -0500 Dec 9, 2011 pellep 0 Testability of Spring Applications is a Myth!!! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 You are completely missing the point. Any framework that fosters untestability is flawed. Any framework that requires 'in-memory databases' or tedious mock-object setups for testing application logic is flawed.

...]]> Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:29:16 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:29:16 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:29:16 -0500 Dec 7, 2011 R.J. Byron 1 Testability of Spring Applications is a Myth! ... Or not http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 Please don't make noise with a such pityfull title.

...]]> Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:16:09 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:16:09 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:16:09 -0500 Dec 6, 2011 Richard GUITTER 2 Testability of Spring Applications is a Myth! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 ...]]> Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:27:09 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:27:09 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:27:09 -0500 Dec 6, 2011 R.J. Byron 5 Spring Pitfalls: Transactional tests considered harmful http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=63321 One of the Spring killer-features is an in-container integration testing. While EJB lacked this functionality for many years, Spring from the very beginning allowed you to test the full stack.

Database is the problematic part. First you need...]]> Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:50:32 -0500 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:50:32 -0500 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:50:32 -0500 Dec 5, 2011 Fabrizio Chami 9