Support Forums: Message List - Alsup is Wrong: APIs Must be Given Copyright Protection http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sun, 19 May 2013 09:29:12 -0400 Re-Implementations must be allowed http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:53:46 -0400 Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:53:46 -0400 Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:53:46 -0400 Oct 24, 2012 hstoerr 0 How did people expect this to go any other way? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 Alsup doesn't just get to follow his heart when deciding a case like this.  He needs to base his decision on the actual law and legal precident, both of which say APIs cannot be copyrighted. If you feel differently then lobby your Congress person...]]> Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:04:48 -0400 Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:04:48 -0400 Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:04:48 -0400 Aug 19, 2012 Steven Branda 0 Do you actually understand IP law? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 Very good point, Alex. To copyright an API is as copyright the measure of the tyres, the pass of a screw, the width of a pipe, the shoes numbering, the idea of making phone numbers made of digits, ... the etc is endless. Oracle is not my ideal company...]]> Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:57:23 -0400 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:57:23 -0400 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:57:23 -0400 Jun 7, 2012 a b 0 Its the system http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 In creating a good API, a developer creates a system of interfaces which work together.  This is definitely a creative act, for example java.io.* is a fine system for working with fies and a lot of work went in to the system of interfaces.

...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:24:28 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:24:28 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:24:28 -0400 Jun 5, 2012 David Heimann 0 Note the GPL license http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 . Apache projects are explicitly prohibited from using GPL code, so the statement "you can use it, modify it in whatever way" is wrong. GPL's main focus isn't pushing fragmentation. It's to insure code is contributed back to the project. In...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:40:58 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:40:58 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:40:58 -0400 Jun 5, 2012 hari a 0 Note the GPL license http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 ...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:48:18 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:48:18 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:48:18 -0400 Jun 5, 2012 peter lin 1 JBoss History, Trademark, and Fragmentation http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 Let's take a time machine about to 2002-2003.  Back then Sun refused to let us (JBoss) license the TCK for Java EE.  Our lawyer at the time said it was legally ok for us distribute JBoss and implement the Java EE APIs so long as we didn't...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:06:19 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:06:19 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:06:19 -0400 Jun 5, 2012 Bill Burke 0 Note the GPL license http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 Once java committed code to open source- it was like telling- Here is our GPL code- you can use it modify it in whatever way (GPL is all about sharing and modifying and resharing. GPL strongly support fragmentation of...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:38:38 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:38:38 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:38:38 -0400 Jun 5, 2012 hari a 2 Whole of software is not copyrightable http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 ...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:33:43 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:33:43 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:33:43 -0400 Jun 5, 2012 peter lin 3 Whole of software is not copyrightable http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 Suppose java was closed source- still it has to expose API (The method signature) as microsoft did for VC++. (implementation is internal to microsoft which no one knows) - That never means- I can't create a new language with API same...]]> Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:48:08 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:48:08 -0400 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:48:08 -0400 Jun 5, 2012 hari a 4 the jury http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 I want to raise a question here. The court chose (in accordance with the law I suppose) non-technical jury so their judgement won't be affected by their bias.

...]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:35:24 -0400 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:35:24 -0400 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:35:24 -0400 Jun 4, 2012 Ryan , 0 What has changed for GPL code? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 You see, Cameron, you are free to write your OWN IMPLEMENTATION of some GPL code. Just as before.

But you cannot use someone else's implementation of some GPL code. Just as before.

]]> Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:41:41 -0400 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:41:41 -0400 Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:41:41 -0400 Jun 4, 2012 JohnVoter 0 Mr. McKenzie asks wrong question, gives wrong answer http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=65210 Sadly, Mr. McKenzie thinks this is a question of how "beautiful" the Java API is.

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