Red Hat – Business fundamentals seem mixed as the company faces pressure in the market from Oracle’s competitive support offering... We are also picking up some feedback that JBoss founder Marc Fleury is likely to leave the company post his current 3-month leave of absence.For one thing, Marc is not leaving JBoss. He's still an employee, a representative said, adding that with JBoss World and the acquisition (among other things), Marc has been burned out, and with a new baby in the family, he's taking paternity leave to spend time with his wife and children. According to the representative, Marc has expressed no interest in leaving JBoss after his leave expires. While this doesn't rule out any internal concerns, it offers a valid explanation for a leave of absence. Other JBoss employees have taken jobs elsewhere recently, and Marc had offered some frustrations at a conference, which may have been the source of the rumor concerning his being potentially shelved.
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Marc Fleury not exactly leaving JBoss (14 messages)
- Posted by: Joseph Ottinger
- Posted on: December 07 2006 15:54 EST
There have been rumors swirling about various people leaving JBoss after its acquisition by Red Hat, including Marc Fleury. A financial analyst said that Marc was taking a "leave of absence," without saying what that actually meant. Talking to JBoss clarified a few things. Here's the financial's statement, with parts trimmed out:Threaded Messages (14)
- please elaborate by Bill Burke on December 07 2006 17:51 EST
- Re: please elaborate by Bill Burke on December 07 2006 17:52 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Andrew Oliver on December 07 2006 10:06 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Andreas Mueller on December 08 2006 02:35 EST
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Re: please elaborate by William Louth on December 08 2006 04:18 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Andrew Oliver on December 08 2006 04:27 EST
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Re: please elaborate by William Louth on December 08 2006 07:25 EST
- Re: please elaborate by Arne Vajh??j on December 09 2006 12:10 EST
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Re: please elaborate by William Louth on December 08 2006 07:25 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Andrew Oliver on December 08 2006 04:27 EST
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Re: please elaborate by William Louth on December 08 2006 04:18 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Bill Burke on December 08 2006 10:28 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Andrew Oliver on December 08 2006 12:51 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Dushyanth Inguva on December 08 2006 02:37 EST
- Re: please elaborate by Dave Ehrington on December 11 2006 05:24 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Dushyanth Inguva on December 08 2006 02:37 EST
- You said development... by Java Guy on December 10 2006 01:39 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Andrew Oliver on December 08 2006 12:51 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Andreas Mueller on December 08 2006 02:35 EST
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Re: please elaborate by Andrew Oliver on December 07 2006 10:06 EST
- Re: please elaborate by Bill Burke on December 07 2006 17:52 EST
- JBossWorld Berlin was fun by Tobias Frech on December 08 2006 08:14 EST
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please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Bill Burke
- Posted on: December 07 2006 17:51 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
Other JBoss employees have taken jobs elsewhere recently You make it sound like there is a mass exodus. We've lost nobody in development. Bill
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Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Bill Burke
- Posted on: December 07 2006 17:52 EST
- in response to Bill Burke
Other JBoss employees have taken jobs elsewhere recently
You make it sound like there is a mass exodus. We've lost nobody in development. Bill P.S. Fixing format error I made with last post -
Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Andrew Oliver
- Posted on: December 07 2006 22:06 EST
- in response to Bill Burke
Hi Bill, How are you today? I am fine. -nobodyOther JBoss employees have taken jobs elsewhere recently
You make it sound like there is a mass exodus. We've lost nobody in development.
Bill
P.S. Fixing format error I made with last post -
Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Andreas Mueller
- Posted on: December 08 2006 02:35 EST
- in response to Andrew Oliver
Hi Bill,
Hey! That was good! :-)) Are there other nobodies out there?
How are you today? I am fine.
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Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: William Louth
- Posted on: December 08 2006 04:18 EST
- in response to Andreas Mueller
It would appear Andy has problems using messaging solutions (e-mail?) and has resorted to using a TSS forum as a cheap and more reliable alternative to communicate (and collaborate) with his colleagues at work. ;-). Sorry, could help that. William -
Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Andrew Oliver
- Posted on: December 08 2006 04:27 EST
- in response to William Louth
It would appear Andy has problems using messaging solutions (e-mail?) and has resorted to using a TSS forum as a cheap and more reliable alternative to communicate (and collaborate) with his colleagues at work. ;-). Sorry, could help that.
You mean former colleagues from my last job.
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Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: William Louth
- Posted on: December 08 2006 07:25 EST
- in response to Andrew Oliver
Yes former. Any chance elaborating on the reasons for your departure? Did Marc & Co. oversell the assets (employees, projects, customers(paying + non-paying)) and now is unhappy that RedHat is being tight (which was to be expected with the numbers) with the rest of its money and limiting the spending on important and necessary product/product development activities. Or was there just simply a corporate culture clash with room and time still available for adaption on each side? It is natural for some staff members to leave after a company gets acquired but the concern for most customers/shareholders is the underlying reasons. Regards, William -
Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Arne Vajh??j
- Posted on: December 09 2006 00:10 EST
- in response to William Louth
Or was there just simply a corporate culture clash with room and time still available for adaption on each side? It is natural for some staff members to leave after a company gets acquired but the concern for most customers/shareholders is the underlying reasons.
After reading a bit about MF the last 2-3 years, then I would not be surprised if he did not find it that interesting to be number 10 in a company instead of number 1. -
Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Bill Burke
- Posted on: December 08 2006 10:28 EST
- in response to Andrew Oliver
Whoops...sorry Andy. You got to admit that JBoss Collaboration Mail Server wasn't exactly ever one of our core product even though you tried hard to make it one. Bill P.S. BTW, I hope the project is still alive. You had a lot of amazing ideas and the base project was pretty solid.Other JBoss employees have taken jobs elsewhere recently
You make it sound like there is a mass exodus. We've lost nobody in development.
Bill
P.S. Fixing format error I made with last post
Hi Bill,
How are you today? I am fine.
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Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Andrew Oliver
- Posted on: December 08 2006 12:51 EST
- in response to Bill Burke
Keep pushing Bill. Keep pushing. BTW, congrats on some of the memory leaks in Spring annotations er I mean EJB3 getting fixed...hope you get the rest!
Whoops...sorry Andy. You got to admit that JBoss Collaboration Mail Server wasn't exactly ever one of our core product even though you tried hard to make it one.
Bill
P.S. BTW, I hope the project is still alive. You had a lot of amazing ideas and the base project was pretty solid. -
Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Dushyanth Inguva
- Posted on: December 08 2006 14:37 EST
- in response to Andrew Oliver
News Flash !!! Discussions on TSS hit new low ! -
Re: please elaborate[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Dave Ehrington
- Posted on: December 11 2006 17:24 EST
- in response to Dushyanth Inguva
You must have missed the astroturfing scandal a few years back. This one's nothing. -
You said development...[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Java Guy
- Posted on: December 10 2006 01:39 EST
- in response to Bill Burke
Hi bill, You said development at JBoss and not "development of our core products". Now its clear that a someone from development has indeed left JBoss :) Alex -
JBossWorld Berlin was fun[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Tobias Frech
- Posted on: December 08 2006 08:14 EST
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
It was fun to talk to the JBoss core developers and leads @ JBossWorld Berlin, during the talks as well as in the hotel bar. The conference clearly showed the broad area of topics JBoss currently addresses. It's already hard to keep up with what's new in one or two components of the JEMS stack. But the whole stack is moving forward and is still expanding. Also the JBossWorld party in the eWerk was great, because of the RedHat and JBoss guys. I didn't see or feel any signs of "burn out" in the community. Au contraire ... Ciao, Tobias