"I am now satisfied that competition and innovation will be preserved on all the markets concerned. Oracle's acquisition of Sun has the potential to revitalize important assets and create new and innovative products," said Neelie Kroes, the European antitrust commissioner, said in a prepared statement.https://searchoracle.techtarget.com/news/2240016123/Oracle-gains-the-ECs-approval-to-acquire-Sun
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EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun (15 messages)
- Posted by: Jack Vaughan
- Posted on: January 21 2010 12:35 EST
It was bumpy along the way but today the European Commission (EC) officially approved Oracle’s $7.4 billion acquisition of Sun Microsystems which could see the combined company significantly change the competitive landscape of the IT industry. Among the competetive issues considered by the EC were the futures of MySQL and Java in light of the merger.Threaded Messages (15)
- Let's talk alternatives for the sake of contingency! by Douglas Allen on January 21 2010 14:05 EST
- Re: Let's talk alternatives for the sake of contingency! by Ali M. on January 25 2010 14:12 EST
- Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun by shawn spencer on January 21 2010 16:25 EST
- Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun by Eric Velazquez on January 21 2010 17:16 EST
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Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun by Sateesh Narahari on January 21 2010 05:54 EST
- Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun by shawn spencer on January 22 2010 12:50 EST
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Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun by Sateesh Narahari on January 21 2010 05:54 EST
- Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun by Cary Clark on January 22 2010 09:50 EST
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Forks are useless by Casual Visitor on January 22 2010 04:50 EST
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Pointless forks are useless - meaningful forks work by Christopher Keene on January 22 2010 07:47 EST
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Pingdom link - 10 open source forks by Christopher Keene on January 22 2010 07:48 EST
- Re: Pingdom link - 10 open source forks by Michael Klaene on January 23 2010 02:00 EST
- Re: Pingdom link - 10 open source forks by Casual Visitor on January 24 2010 02:12 EST
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Pingdom link - 10 open source forks by Christopher Keene on January 22 2010 07:48 EST
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Pointless forks are useless - meaningful forks work by Christopher Keene on January 22 2010 07:47 EST
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Forks are useless by Casual Visitor on January 22 2010 04:50 EST
- Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun by Eric Velazquez on January 21 2010 17:16 EST
- Larry Ellison at a Live Webcast, Unveiling the Oracle + Sun Stra by Shay Shmeltzer on January 21 2010 17:18 EST
- Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun by Djeakandane Govindane on January 25 2010 00:31 EST
- Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun by Padmarag Lokhande on January 27 2010 06:27 EST
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Let's talk alternatives for the sake of contingency![ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Douglas Allen
- Posted on: January 21 2010 14:05 EST
- in response to Jack Vaughan
I propose the following: 1) Spring* + Tomcat + PostgreSQL*. 2) Spring* + Jetty + PostgreSQL*. 3) Wicket* + [Spring] + Tomcat + PostgreSQL*. 4) Wicket* + [Spring] + Jetty + PostgreSQL*. 5) RoR + PostgreSQL*. 6) M.O.M's, SOA,...? (ApacheMQ, Servicemix, CXF, ....) Where * can be any other mature alternatives. [] - Optional. -
Re: Let's talk alternatives for the sake of contingency![ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Ali M.
- Posted on: January 25 2010 14:12 EST
- in response to Douglas Allen
There is always Jonas http://wiki.jonas.ow2.org/ if you are concerned abut the availability of a good and mature FOSS Java EE application server -
Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: shawn spencer
- Posted on: January 21 2010 16:25 EST
- in response to Jack Vaughan
Goodbye MySQL. The power of money & corporate greed will kill you and you wont even know. It was a great ride while it lasted. I hope i dont have to shell out money for downloading java going forward. OpenJDK, Tomcat - Here i come. Only silver lining - i hope weblogic implodes under its own weight because oracle doesnt know how crappy that app server is. I know i will get some bashing from the weblogic folks. But i have used it for 5 years and still sucks. remember how much you marketd portal and i had called itout as crap. what happend now ? you are taking it out .. i wonder why ? :) -
Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Eric Velazquez
- Posted on: January 21 2010 17:16 EST
- in response to shawn spencer
Goodbye MySQL.
MySQL does not worries me as i am a happy PostgreSQL follower. Don't really know what to expect on java, also hope not to start seeing personal/professional/enterprise/trial versions. But on Weblogic, i know a bunch of companies that just start trembling when they hear a possible open source alternative. Don't ask me why but that it is. So, on the application server market if weblogic implodes, what (well established) commercial alternative would i have? websphere???? no thanks!! Not talking about anything above the server (portal, integration, aqualogic's, etc,etc,etc.) that is another story, but on the server itself i think it's a pretty good server. (used for about 8 years now) Regards
The power of money & corporate greed will kill you and you wont even know. It was a great ride while it lasted.
I hope i dont have to shell out money for downloading java going forward.
OpenJDK, Tomcat - Here i come.
Only silver lining - i hope weblogic implodes under its own weight because oracle doesnt know how crappy that app server is. I know i will get some bashing from the weblogic folks. But i have used it for 5 years and still sucks. remember how much you marketd portal and i had called itout as crap. what happend now ? you are taking it out .. i wonder why ? :) -
Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Sateesh Narahari
- Posted on: January 21 2010 17:54 EST
- in response to Eric Velazquez
+1. I think people running MySQL and GlassFish should evaluate their options - even though these products would be around at least for a couple of years, the amount of innovation on them would either limited and/or the decisions would be made by people who are used to building complex, heavy weight solutions that thrive on increasing complexity. On the other hand, products like Apache Tomcat continue to be light weight, effective solutions for 90% of the web applications. I am sure, similar effective solutions exist for database users as well.Goodbye MySQL.
The power of money & corporate greed will kill you and you wont even know. It was a great ride while it lasted.
I hope i dont have to shell out money for downloading java going forward.
OpenJDK, Tomcat - Here i come.
Only silver lining - i hope weblogic implodes under its own weight because oracle doesnt know how crappy that app server is. I know i will get some bashing from the weblogic folks. But i have used it for 5 years and still sucks. remember how much you marketd portal and i had called itout as crap. what happend now ? you are taking it out .. i wonder why ? :)
MySQL does not worries me as i am a happy PostgreSQL follower.
Don't really know what to expect on java, also hope not to start seeing personal/professional/enterprise/trial versions.
But on Weblogic, i know a bunch of companies that just start trembling when they hear a possible open source alternative. Don't ask me why but that it is.
So, on the application server market if weblogic implodes, what (well established) commercial alternative would i have? websphere???? no thanks!!
Not talking about anything above the server (portal, integration, aqualogic's, etc,etc,etc.) that is another story, but on the server itself i think it's a pretty good server. (used for about 8 years now)
Regards -
Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: shawn spencer
- Posted on: January 22 2010 00:50 EST
- in response to Sateesh Narahari
i m amazed that you think there is no other commerical app server option other than weblogic ? I have you heard about resin or Spring Tc ( part of VM ware) or JBOSS ( part of RedHAT) ? All these are big companies with some of the best technologies and features which are much better than weblogic. Plus there are more than 10 big companies which provide commerical support for apache tomcat or glassfish. i will chose them over weblogic or web sphere ..anyday. Oracle acquired BEA only for customer base - not because weblogic is better app server. Infact Oracle app server is much better than weblogic. .. but i dont want to make it a thread about app servers. :) .Goodbye MySQL.
The power of money & corporate greed will kill you and you wont even know. It was a great ride while it lasted.
I hope i dont have to shell out money for downloading java going forward.
OpenJDK, Tomcat - Here i come.
Only silver lining - i hope weblogic implodes under its own weight because oracle doesnt know how crappy that app server is. I know i will get some bashing from the weblogic folks. But i have used it for 5 years and still sucks. remember how much you marketd portal and i had called itout as crap. what happend now ? you are taking it out .. i wonder why ? :)
MySQL does not worries me as i am a happy PostgreSQL follower.
Don't really know what to expect on java, also hope not to start seeing personal/professional/enterprise/trial versions.
But on Weblogic, i know a bunch of companies that just start trembling when they hear a possible open source alternative. Don't ask me why but that it is.
So, on the application server market if weblogic implodes, what (well established) commercial alternative would i have? websphere???? no thanks!!
Not talking about anything above the server (portal, integration, aqualogic's, etc,etc,etc.) that is another story, but on the server itself i think it's a pretty good server. (used for about 8 years now)
Regards
+1.
I think people running MySQL and GlassFish should evaluate their options - even though these products would be around at least for a couple of years, the amount of innovation on them would either limited and/or the decisions would be made by people who are used to building complex, heavy weight solutions that thrive on increasing complexity.
On the other hand, products like Apache Tomcat continue to be light weight, effective solutions for 90% of the web applications. I am sure, similar effective solutions exist for database users as well. -
Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Cary Clark
- Posted on: January 22 2010 09:50 EST
- in response to shawn spencer
Goodbye MySQL.
What I'm confused about is the worry about MySQL. If Oracle does something stupid with it, don't you think a group will fork an appropriate version and make OurSQL and it will live on forever? As for Java, I don't think Oracle wants to do something that would give the community the opportunity to say "see, we told you they would do that" and high tail it in another direction. The hit they'd take for that would be immeasurable. And as you mentioned...OpenJDK & Tomcat. Maybe I'm naive or an eternal optimist...
The power of money & corporate greed will kill you and you wont even know. It was a great ride while it lasted.
I hope i dont have to shell out money for downloading java going forward.
OpenJDK, Tomcat - Here i come.
Only silver lining - i hope weblogic implodes under its own weight because oracle doesnt know how crappy that app server is. I know i will get some bashing from the weblogic folks. But i have used it for 5 years and still sucks. remember how much you marketd portal and i had called itout as crap. what happend now ? you are taking it out .. i wonder why ? :) -
Forks are useless[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Casual Visitor
- Posted on: January 22 2010 16:50 EST
- in response to Cary Clark
If Oracle does something stupid with it, don't you think a group will fork an appropriate version and make OurSQL and it will live on forever?
Nope. Some have already forked MySQL. You have never heard from them after the initial buzz. Forks are ineffective and useless. Oracle knows that. -
Pointless forks are useless - meaningful forks work[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Christopher Keene
- Posted on: January 22 2010 19:47 EST
- in response to Casual Visitor
Forking an open source project with a happy vibrant community is one thing - forking to preserve the core benefits of the open source project is quite another. Check out this link from Pingdom that catalogs 10 successful community forks - ever heard of Ubuntu, Firefox or Joomla? Open source forks all of them. If Oracle screws up its stewardship of MySQL, history would say that there is a high probability of having a successful fork (I like the name OurQL ;-) -
Pingdom link - 10 open source forks[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Christopher Keene
- Posted on: January 22 2010 19:48 EST
- in response to Christopher Keene
Sorry, I was busy ranting, forgot to post the pingdom link: http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/09/11/10-interesting-open-source-software-forks-and-why-they-happened/ -
Re: Pingdom link - 10 open source forks[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Michael Klaene
- Posted on: January 23 2010 14:00 EST
- in response to Christopher Keene
Sorry, I was busy ranting, forgot to post the pingdom link:
That was a nice article. However, I partially agree with the previous poster as well. Perhaps forks aren't useless but it is a huge uphill battle, particularly with such a mature product as MySQL.
http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/09/11/10-interesting-open-source-software-forks-and-why-they-happened/ -
Re: Pingdom link - 10 open source forks[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Casual Visitor
- Posted on: January 24 2010 14:12 EST
- in response to Christopher Keene
Except that most of those actually are not forks, e.g. Ubuntu is certainly not a fork from Debian. -
Larry Ellison at a Live Webcast, Unveiling the Oracle + Sun Stra[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Shay Shmeltzer
- Posted on: January 21 2010 17:18 EST
- in response to Jack Vaughan
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Re: EC gives Oracle nod to acquire Sun[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Djeakandane Govindane
- Posted on: January 25 2010 00:31 EST
- in response to Jack Vaughan
I am sure this strategy is going to rule the Java & the Oracle World. Both the best-of-the-breed technologies will kill other markets very easily. -
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- Posted by: Padmarag Lokhande
- Posted on: January 27 2010 06:27 EST
- in response to Jack Vaughan
I don't think Oracle will try to kill Java. If you check major part of the Oracle Fusion Middleware is based on Java. There's no benefit to Oracle from disturbing that.