Microsoft slaps back at Sun in Java spat

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  1. Microsoft slaps back at Sun in Java spat (6 messages)

    CNET is reporting on Microsoft's Response to Sun's open letter to Windows XP users. MS said that Sun "has taken every step possible to prevent Microsoft from shipping its award winning Java virtual machine. They spent several years suing to stop Microsoft from shipping a high-performance Java virtual machine that took advantage of Windows."

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  2. It seems that nothing could stop M$ from launching Win XP. Let us see the product and if it is good as usual let us all embrace it as we have done to it's previous OSs.

    But, M$ claim that they made the MS VM more powerful is really laughable. They in fact violated the licencing agreement as well as binded it to a particular OS against the spirit of "write once run anywhere". The statement by David Harrah is really funny to read.

    It is a fact that M$ really shivered at the popularity of this revolutionary language. They did not expect that it would be accepted by the developer community overwhelmingly. What happened to the C# wave that rode last year and the .Net paranoia. I agree we need to dream and realize those dreams. But we also must be cautious because 'Dreams die first". Beware M$!!! there are players aggressively encroaching the vast market share occuied by you. And Java is just one of 'em. There is also Linux, with IBM support, apart from helllot of players coming out with new paradigms, technologies and concepts that will revolutionize the way we live on this planet.
  3. It would have been easy for Microsoft to continue to have the best JVM on the Windows platform after their good start, but they choose not to. If they didn't have monopolistic control over the client machine we wouldn't care about it. Now they feel that the Department of Justment can't do anyting about it and feel secure to continue with their agenda against us developers not yet locked in to their monopoly.

    By the way, a simple and very easily motivated court decision would fix this and open up the client platform sufficiently for new non-Microsoft inovation.

    The key is to Microsoft should not be allowed to produce or sell a browser bundled with the system, or to work directly with any other vendor, or influence what browser is delivered with the OS by others. Instead, they should publish an interface to the OS for a browser. Any browser vendor (such as Netscape) should then be able to include additional technology, such as Java, with their browser.

    The Internet Explorer should by the court decision be put on the market, and the new vendor should not be allowed to work in collaboration with Microsoft, execpt via published specifications.

    The motivation for such a court decision is simple. Microsoft has missused their monopoly and used bad business practices especially in this area, aimed against Netscape and their browser. An this will prevent them from doing so in the future. (Nothing else will.)

    We don't have to open up the OS in any way. Operating systems are not that important anymore. And they can keep the monopoly based on the prevalence of the Microsoft Office applications. We can give them that. But we want to be able to run our new software in the client platform, and the browser it the key to that. And that's why Microsoft is so afraid of Java.

      -- Lars
  4. A simpler and wiser thing is to adopt the existing Netscape browser for IE. Instead of dreaming about court verdicts i feel this is a more feasible and practical solution. But will that happen taking to account the ratio of IE/Netscape users. Now who should be more afraid??
  5. A simpler and wiser thing is to adopt the existing Netscape browser for IE. Instead of dreaming about court verdicts i feel this is a more feasible and practical solution. But will that happen taking to account the ratio of IE/Netscape users. Now who should be more afraid??
  6. A simpler and wiser thing is to adopt the existing Netscape browser for IE. Instead of dreaming about court verdicts i feel this is a more feasible and practical solution. But will that happen taking to account the ratio of IE/Netscape users. Now who should be more afraid??
  7. If you think Microsoft is the "Bad-ass" of proprietary software, wait till you what happens if, indeed MS is overtaken by Linux and SUN/IBM.

    The problem is that the majority of JAVA afficionados are relatively recent grads to the business world of software development.

    Bear in mind that everything Microsoft ever learned about corporate tactics and proprietary softeware, they learned when Bill Gates was writing software for IBM!!

    IBM has a much *longer* history than Microsoft, and their longevity is no coincedence. Their approach, and SUN's is Buy Now, pay later - and pay, and pay and pay....